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olygirl 20.11.2015 10:02

All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)
 
Reading some FB posts from my friends in the US frightens me. The fear of Muslims and their solutions thereof is Hitler worthy.

Tom1234 20.11.2015 10:17

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Originally Posted by olygirl (Post 2488971)
Reading some FB posts from my friends in the US frightens me. The fear of Muslims and their solutions thereof is Hitler worthy.


Reading some peoples' views on here makes me feel physically sick.

(and they're not American but I guess anyone can be brain-washed).

idefix 20.11.2015 10:21

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Originally Posted by Tom1234 (Post 2488986)
Reading some peoples's views on here makes me feel physically sick.

(and they're not American but I guess anyone can be brain-washed).

I think we all should kept silent and be neither against or for creating a db tracking Muslims.

We should take porschs's example

idefix 20.11.2015 10:24

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Originally Posted by olygirl (Post 2488971)
Reading some FB posts from my friends in the US frightens me. The fear of Muslims and their solutions thereof is Hitler worthy.

But it's their own fault, of the Muslim people for not being against or for Muslim violence towards nonbelivers... It's hardly surprising now that people are afraid for their religious freedom?

Wollishofener 20.11.2015 10:29

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Originally Posted by idefix (Post 2488918)
Very normal. What did you expect in situations like we have today? Muslims aren't doing themselves a favour don't they?


"Muslims" ? They (private citizens) have publicly shown their solidarity with the victims and with the French Republic. Muslim leaders like King Mohammed VI, Abdelaziz Bouteflika, Marshal as-Sisi and Abdullah II clearly side with France. They ARE doing themselves a favour permanently


This here http://www.ledauphine.com/france-mon...t-les-victimes Shows that there were many Arabs (some of them F-citizens) also were killed. Yes, they were not doing themselves a favour by getting killed

Corbets 20.11.2015 10:38

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Originally Posted by olygirl (Post 2488971)
Reading some FB posts from my friends in the US frightens me. The fear of Muslims and their solutions thereof is Hitler worthy.

Tell me about it. I'm an atheist, and it must be said, not overly fond of religious believers of any sort, but some people on my friends list have gone full-on whacko lately. Have you seen the posts like "5 of these 100 m&ms are poisonous - go ahead, dig in!" used to justify their ant-refugee rhetoric? Not only do people fail at stats (or basic counting), but the vigor with which they defend their fear is little short of amazing.

Makes me glad I'm over here!

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Originally Posted by idefix (Post 2488992)
But it's their own fault, of the Muslim people for not being against or for Muslim violence towards nonbelivers... It's hardly surprising now that people are afraid for their religious freedom?

Huh. Abortion clinic bombers in the US were pretty much universally "Christian" - guess Christians weren't doing themselves any favors either, eh?

Wollishofener 20.11.2015 10:44

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Originally Posted by idefix (Post 2488992)
But it's their own fault, of the Muslim people for not being against or for Muslim violence towards nonbelivers... It's hardly surprising now that people are afraid for their religious freedom?


Most Muslims ARE against Muslim violence towards nonbelievers. And so quite in public

Odile 20.11.2015 12:48

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Originally Posted by olygirl (Post 2488971)
Reading some FB posts from my friends in the US frightens me. The fear of Muslims and their solutions thereof is Hitler worthy.


Indeed- truly scary. And even worse when they say Obama is just 'one of them and an Al-Quaida plant' - and actually mean it:eek: and tell you how biased the BBC is- and that the only truth comes out of the mouth of Fox News. What do you say to people like that- and they are a very significant % in the USA???

idefix 20.11.2015 12:50

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Originally Posted by Odile (Post 2489140)
Indeed- truly scary. And even worse when they say Obama is just 'one of them and an Al-Quaida plant' - and actually mean it:eek:

Isn't he Muslim? ;)

Odile 20.11.2015 12:53

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In which case OH and I are CAtholic, Protestant, Huguenot, CofE, Muslim and Buddhist- because one of our relatives once was:msncrazy: and some of our close relatives still are.

And if he was- anyhow!?! does that make him an Al-Quaida plant of Isis supporter? Go and push your hate elsewhwere- enough! Idée fixe- indeed- obsessive even.

idefix 20.11.2015 12:55

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Originally Posted by Odile (Post 2489144)
In which case OH and I are CAtholic, Protestant, Huguenot, CofE, Muslim and Buddhist- because one of our relatives once was:msncrazy: and some of our close relatives still are.

Errr...? And so what?

Odile 20.11.2015 12:57

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... and so having a close relative or relatives that are of one religion, or political party, or persuasion, etc- does not mean you are. You know exactly what I meant. Stop stirring your ****.

idefix 20.11.2015 13:11

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Originally Posted by Odile (Post 2489150)
... and so having a close relative or relatives that are of one religions, or political party, or persuasion, etc- does not mean you are. You know exactly what I meant. Stop stirring your ****.

You are more and more confusing...? :confused:

Odile 20.11.2015 14:36

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So he was born a Muslim- and never converted to another religion- that does NOT make him a Muslim in my eyes.

As said, in this case, my husband and many relatives would be Muslim, but they are not...those who live in the home country are, those that have emigrated are not- and have either become 'cultural' Christians by default, or agnostic and atheist.

I was born a Catholic, of a Protestant mother with Huguenot roots- it certainly does NOT make me EITHER.
My husband was born a Muslim, whose grandfather and whole family were born CofE, and of a Dutch Reformed Church mother who pretended to convert to Islam to marry- it certainly does NOT make him EITHER.

22 yards 20.11.2015 15:11

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Originally Posted by Odile (Post 2489266)
So he was born a Muslim- and never converted to another religion- that does NOT make him a Muslim in my eyes.

Now I'm really confused. Donald Trump was born a Muslim? If he wins, Ben Carson will be REALLY unhappy.

J2488 20.11.2015 15:42

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Originally Posted by idefix (Post 2489143)
Isn't he Muslim? ;)


He was also not born in Hawaii, dontcha know.


And he wants to take everyone's guns away.


And, as if that wasn't bad enough, he wants to destroy American industry by passing green laws.


He and his Al Qaeda paymasters must be laughing all the way to the imaginary bank.


For the good of the US, nay, the world, we must do something! Elect an idiot in a toupee who wants everyone of a particular persuasion to wear an armband! Its worked in the past! Quick!!!!!

Urs Max 20.11.2015 15:43

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Originally Posted by idefix (Post 2488992)
But it's their own fault, of the Muslim people for not being against or for Muslim violence towards nonbelivers... It's hardly surprising now that people are afraid for their religious freedom?

I don't remember seeing you speak up against pedophiles, murder, rape, extremism, or a gazillion other things. By your own logic that makes you at least sympathetic with all of them.

Urs Max 20.11.2015 16:00

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Originally Posted by Brian1985 (Post 2489065)
Anyway the anti free-speech liberal lefties (unfortunately US collages are being infested with this species) have no one but themselves to blame for the rise of populist candidates like Trump. If people were able to say what they think without being vilified by self-righteous types or having to worry about losing their jobs it's likely that candidates like Trump would fail to find a national audience.

Absolutely! Shoot or hang all them lefties, liberals and/or blacks for having the US get rid of the KKK.

Oh wait - wouldn't that leave the KKK without a target?

J2488 20.11.2015 16:01

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Originally Posted by idefix (Post 2488992)
But it's their own fault, of the Muslim people for not being against or for Muslim violence towards nonbelivers... It's hardly surprising now that people are afraid for their religious freedom?





Lol. I love it when people make this ridiculous argument. Its such a stupid conclusion.


Let say there is a terror cell in the UK consisting of 5 men.


There are three million (approx.) Muslims in the UK, more if you count kids.


5/3000000 = 0.000 0017%.


Now, how many of the 3 million do you believe are exposed to the 5 bad ones and know them particularly well? well, lets say these particular terrorists are popular guys, so 20.


20/2,999,995 = 0.000 06 % of muslims exposed to a terror cell.


Now, factor in the fact that the 5 bad ones will do everything they can to hide their intentions. they don't tell anyone they will kill people, nor do they broadcast it to the Muslim community. The chance of actually discovering genuine terrorists is proportional to their presence in the wider community. ie, 0.000 000 17%.


So, out of 3,000,000, you want 0.000 06% to help you find 0.000 0017%, with a 0.000 0017% chance of being successful?


If we assume they are able to hide their intentions from half of these 20 (which in turn, makes them very bad at their purpose, but lets assume they are popular but incompetent), that means there is at most, 10 people, in 2,999,995. Or, 0.000 003%.


So, these 0.000 003% are supposed to help find 0.000 0017%, with a 0.000 0017% success possibility?


If the british government, with thousands of analysts, can read every text message, scrutinise every mb of data, piggy-back every CCTV camera, listen in to every phone call, and observe thousands simultaneously, and they still cant find them, what chance does Amjad from the corner shop have?


Do you think muslims have a secret address book with the name and address of every terrorist in it, and theyre just stubbornly refusing to hand it over?


Do you think that all it takes is for an imam to stand up and say 'right lads, you've had your fun, but that's enough now, put down the pipe bomb and behave yourself', and overnight the problems will disappear?


I hear lots of this bullshit about 'oh, well they don't do anything about it'...what exactly do you want them to do about it? Find people that work incredibly hard not to be found, who look, act, and behave exactly the same as everyone else?


Or do you just want someone to blame, because you know they aren't in a position to defend themselves?

Odile 20.11.2015 16:27

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Looks like the terrorist leader wasn't much of a Muslim either- according to Huffington Post:

The ex-wife of Paris bomber Ibrahim Abdeslam has told how he spent his days smoking cannabis and drinking alcohol, as reports suggest the terror gang behind Friday's murder spree may have been high on a cocktail of drugs.
Naima said her former husband smoked "an alarming amount of joints, at least three or four a day", never went to a mosque, and served two prison sentences for theft.
The mastermind of the attacks, Abdelhamid Abaaoud, who was thought to be the target of raids across Paris on Wednesday, also did not attend a mosque, according to his sister Yasmina.

Abaaoud, a Belgian national, was said to have briefly studied at an exclusive Catholic school, before either dropping out or getting expelled and drifting into a life of thievery and drugs, The Independent reported.


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