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All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Reading some FB posts from my friends in the US frightens me. The fear of Muslims and their solutions thereof is Hitler worthy.
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Reading some FB posts from my friends in the US frightens me. The fear of Muslims and their solutions thereof is Hitler worthy.

Reading some peoples' views on here makes me feel physically sick.

(and they're not American but I guess anyone can be brain-washed).

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Reading some peoples's views on here makes me feel physically sick.

(and they're not American but I guess anyone can be brain-washed).
I think we all should kept silent and be neither against or for creating a db tracking Muslims.

We should take porschs's example
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I think we all should kept silent and be neither against or for creating a db tracking Muslims.

We should take porschs's example
Where did I say I am neither for or against anything?
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Where did I say I am neither for or against anything?
You really need to brush up on basic trolling technique (and there I thought you were an expert). You failed to answer a question in one of the several hundred posts on the topic yesterday, so that means a refusal to commit which is the same as saying that you're not against it.

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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

You're all trying to reason with a poster whose user-id is short for ideasfixed.

It's really not worth it.
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You really need to brush up on basic trolling technique (and there I thought you were an expert). You failed to answer a question in one of the several hundred posts on the topic yesterday, so that means a refusal to commit which is the same as saying that you're not against it.

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Reading some FB posts from my friends in the US frightens me. The fear of Muslims and their solutions thereof is Hitler worthy.
But it's their own fault, of the Muslim people for not being against or for Muslim violence towards nonbelivers... It's hardly surprising now that people are afraid for their religious freedom?
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But it's their own fault, of the Muslim people for not being against or for Muslim violence towards nonbelivers... It's hardly surprising now that people are afraid for their religious freedom?

Most Muslims ARE against Muslim violence towards nonbelievers. And so quite in public
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But it's their own fault, of the Muslim people for not being against or for Muslim violence towards nonbelivers... It's hardly surprising now that people are afraid for their religious freedom?
I don't remember seeing you speak up against pedophiles, murder, rape, extremism, or a gazillion other things. By your own logic that makes you at least sympathetic with all of them.
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But it's their own fault, of the Muslim people for not being against or for Muslim violence towards nonbelivers... It's hardly surprising now that people are afraid for their religious freedom?




Lol. I love it when people make this ridiculous argument. Its such a stupid conclusion.


Let say there is a terror cell in the UK consisting of 5 men.


There are three million (approx.) Muslims in the UK, more if you count kids.


5/3000000 = 0.000 0017%.


Now, how many of the 3 million do you believe are exposed to the 5 bad ones and know them particularly well? well, lets say these particular terrorists are popular guys, so 20.


20/2,999,995 = 0.000 06 % of muslims exposed to a terror cell.


Now, factor in the fact that the 5 bad ones will do everything they can to hide their intentions. they don't tell anyone they will kill people, nor do they broadcast it to the Muslim community. The chance of actually discovering genuine terrorists is proportional to their presence in the wider community. ie, 0.000 000 17%.


So, out of 3,000,000, you want 0.000 06% to help you find 0.000 0017%, with a 0.000 0017% chance of being successful?


If we assume they are able to hide their intentions from half of these 20 (which in turn, makes them very bad at their purpose, but lets assume they are popular but incompetent), that means there is at most, 10 people, in 2,999,995. Or, 0.000 003%.


So, these 0.000 003% are supposed to help find 0.000 0017%, with a 0.000 0017% success possibility?


If the british government, with thousands of analysts, can read every text message, scrutinise every mb of data, piggy-back every CCTV camera, listen in to every phone call, and observe thousands simultaneously, and they still cant find them, what chance does Amjad from the corner shop have?


Do you think muslims have a secret address book with the name and address of every terrorist in it, and theyre just stubbornly refusing to hand it over?


Do you think that all it takes is for an imam to stand up and say 'right lads, you've had your fun, but that's enough now, put down the pipe bomb and behave yourself', and overnight the problems will disappear?


I hear lots of this bullshit about 'oh, well they don't do anything about it'...what exactly do you want them to do about it? Find people that work incredibly hard not to be found, who look, act, and behave exactly the same as everyone else?


Or do you just want someone to blame, because you know they aren't in a position to defend themselves?
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Looks like the terrorist leader wasn't much of a Muslim either- according to Huffington Post:

The ex-wife of Paris bomber Ibrahim Abdeslam has told how he spent his days smoking cannabis and drinking alcohol, as reports suggest the terror gang behind Friday's murder spree may have been high on a cocktail of drugs.
Naima said her former husband smoked "an alarming amount of joints, at least three or four a day", never went to a mosque, and served two prison sentences for theft.
The mastermind of the attacks, Abdelhamid Abaaoud, who was thought to be the target of raids across Paris on Wednesday, also did not attend a mosque, according to his sister Yasmina.

Abaaoud, a Belgian national, was said to have briefly studied at an exclusive Catholic school, before either dropping out or getting expelled and drifting into a life of thievery and drugs, The Independent reported.
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

i feel sick from lots of stupid here. or politely "un justice".
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i feel sick from lots of stupid here. or politely "un justice".
Could you expand upon this? What, exactly, do you find unjust and stupid?
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Telegraph News
France grants honorary citizenship to hero ‘spiderman’ migrant who scaled Paris building to save four-year old
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...aris-building/
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France grants honorary citizenship to hero ‘spiderman’ migrant who scaled Paris building to save four-year old
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...aris-building/
And withdrew it from the guy who was holding the child all along, I hope.
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Lol. I love it when people make this ridiculous argument. Its such a stupid conclusion.


Let say there is a terror cell in the UK consisting of 5 men.


There are three million (approx.) Muslims in the UK, more if you count kids.


5/3000000 = 0.000 0017%.


Now, how many of the 3 million do you believe are exposed to the 5 bad ones and know them particularly well? well, lets say these particular terrorists are popular guys, so 20.


20/2,999,995 = 0.000 06 % of muslims exposed to a terror cell.


Now, factor in the fact that the 5 bad ones will do everything they can to hide their intentions. they don't tell anyone they will kill people, nor do they broadcast it to the Muslim community. The chance of actually discovering genuine terrorists is proportional to their presence in the wider community. ie, 0.000 000 17%.


So, out of 3,000,000, you want 0.000 06% to help you find 0.000 0017%, with a 0.000 0017% chance of being successful?


If we assume they are able to hide their intentions from half of these 20 (which in turn, makes them very bad at their purpose, but lets assume they are popular but incompetent), that means there is at most, 10 people, in 2,999,995. Or, 0.000 003%.


So, these 0.000 003% are supposed to help find 0.000 0017%, with a 0.000 0017% success possibility?


If the british government, with thousands of analysts, can read every text message, scrutinise every mb of data, piggy-back every CCTV camera, listen in to every phone call, and observe thousands simultaneously, and they still cant find them, what chance does Amjad from the corner shop have?


Do you think muslims have a secret address book with the name and address of every terrorist in it, and theyre just stubbornly refusing to hand it over?


Do you think that all it takes is for an imam to stand up and say 'right lads, you've had your fun, but that's enough now, put down the pipe bomb and behave yourself', and overnight the problems will disappear?


I hear lots of this bullshit about 'oh, well they don't do anything about it'...what exactly do you want them to do about it? Find people that work incredibly hard not to be found, who look, act, and behave exactly the same as everyone else?


Or do you just want someone to blame, because you know they aren't in a position to defend themselves?

I think there are a number of issues that call into question whether or not Muslims are doing enough to combat Islamic extremism, at least here in the UK. I can't comment on the situation in the US or Switzerland as I have no experience living in those countries.

1) Many Muslims in the UK choose to segregate themselves by living in closed communities where they have little to no interaction with the locals. This begs the question, why come to the UK (or any Western nation for that matter) if you have no desire to integrate or mix with the locals?

2) The desire to import their own judicial system (Sharia courts). One of the cornerstones of any successful nation is one rule of law for all. Here in the UK we have allowed Sharia courts to spring up to deal with civil matters.

3) Surveys that show that while most Muslims oppose killing others, many (a 3rd in the UK) sympathise with the Charlie Hebdo killings and the motives behind the attack.

4) The serial child grooming/gang-rape cases that have happened, and still are happening, up and down the UK (see Rotherham where 1,400 girls were systematically abused) with local government and police officers too afraid to do anything about it for fear of upsetting the PC apple cart.

The Muslim community needs to do what the Catholic community in Northern Ireland did with the IRA which is to come out and aggressively denounce ISIS and start to work with British authorities instead of posting @notinmyname posts on twitter and going back to their closed-off communities.
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why come to the UK (or any Western nation for that matter) if you have no desire to integrate or mix with the locals?
You're asking this question here? On englishforum.ch?

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I think there are a number of issues that call into question whether or not Muslims are doing enough to combat Islamic extremism, at least here in the UK. I can't comment on the situation in the US or Switzerland as I have no experience living in those countries.

1) Many Muslims in the UK choose to segregate themselves by living in closed communities where they have little to no interaction with the locals. This begs the question, why come to the UK (or any Western nation for that matter) if you have no desire to integrate or mix with the locals?
Because they're looking to better their lives for instance by fleeing to safety. Pure pragmatism.

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2) The desire to import their own judicial system (Sharia courts). One of the cornerstones of any successful nation is one rule of law for all. Here in the UK we have allowed Sharia courts to spring up to deal with civil matters.
It's international practice that the law the marriage was closed under is also the law guiding the divorce (exceptions apply of course, often the couple can pick applicable law; nonetheless the default stands). For instance german courts routinely rule on divorce under islamic law.
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3) Surveys that show that while most Muslims oppose killing others, many (a 3rd in the UK) sympathise with the Charlie Hebdo killings and the motives behind the attack.
So what.

AFAIK there's no death penalty in the UK yet many of those respondents would probably say death penalty is Ok, as presumably does a large portion of the "normal" UK population.

Being against any given law is not equal to breaking it. Otherwise about half the voting population in Switzerland would routinely be breaking the laws they're voting to have changed.
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4) The serial child grooming/gang-rape cases that have happened, and still are happening, up and down the UK (see Rotherham where 1,400 girls were systematically abused) with local government and police officers too afraid to do anything about it for fear of upsetting the PC apple cart.
Irrelevant to this hijacked thread.
Unless of course you want to imply that islamists have infiltrated UK political and judicial system 20 or more years ago. Do you?

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The Muslim community needs to do what the Catholic community in Northern Ireland did with the IRA which is to come out and aggressively denounce ISIS and start to work with British authorities instead of posting @notinmyname posts on twitter and going back to their closed-off communities.
See #111 above
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There are A LOT of verses asking the muslims to fight against the non-believers, some of them are even very specific about beheading and killing. There is even a mention that a muslim that avoids his/her "duty" will be sent to hell. IT'S ALL WRITTEN IN THE SACRED TEXT OF THE MUSLIMS.

According to the CIA, between 15% and 25% of the Muslims worldwide agree with extreme ideologies. Since there are 1.8 billion of muslims, we are talking about up to 450 million people who think it's OK to kill christians or stone adulterous women to death. Just to clarify, these 450M people ARE NOT TERRORISTS or potential terrorists, but people who think "it's right" to follow what the Quran says.

How many of these 450M can potentially take real action? Very very few I guess. But 450M people is A LOT.

The UK needs to infiltrate people within the british mosques and at the first sight of hate promotion they need to act fiercely, expelling these "hate promoters" without pity.

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Lol. I love it when people make this ridiculous argument. Its such a stupid conclusion.


Let say there is a terror cell in the UK consisting of 5 men.


There are three million (approx.) Muslims in the UK, more if you count kids.


5/3000000 = 0.000 0017%.


Now, how many of the 3 million do you believe are exposed to the 5 bad ones and know them particularly well? well, lets say these particular terrorists are popular guys, so 20.


20/2,999,995 = 0.000 06 % of muslims exposed to a terror cell.


Now, factor in the fact that the 5 bad ones will do everything they can to hide their intentions. they don't tell anyone they will kill people, nor do they broadcast it to the Muslim community. The chance of actually discovering genuine terrorists is proportional to their presence in the wider community. ie, 0.000 000 17%.


So, out of 3,000,000, you want 0.000 06% to help you find 0.000 0017%, with a 0.000 0017% chance of being successful?


If we assume they are able to hide their intentions from half of these 20 (which in turn, makes them very bad at their purpose, but lets assume they are popular but incompetent), that means there is at most, 10 people, in 2,999,995. Or, 0.000 003%.


So, these 0.000 003% are supposed to help find 0.000 0017%, with a 0.000 0017% success possibility?


If the british government, with thousands of analysts, can read every text message, scrutinise every mb of data, piggy-back every CCTV camera, listen in to every phone call, and observe thousands simultaneously, and they still cant find them, what chance does Amjad from the corner shop have?


Do you think muslims have a secret address book with the name and address of every terrorist in it, and theyre just stubbornly refusing to hand it over?


Do you think that all it takes is for an imam to stand up and say 'right lads, you've had your fun, but that's enough now, put down the pipe bomb and behave yourself', and overnight the problems will disappear?


I hear lots of this bullshit about 'oh, well they don't do anything about it'...what exactly do you want them to do about it? Find people that work incredibly hard not to be found, who look, act, and behave exactly the same as everyone else?


Or do you just want someone to blame, because you know they aren't in a position to defend themselves?
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