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Old 25.11.2015, 09:13
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Re: Women wearing a burqa will be fined £6,500 in Switzerland

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Would you prefer to be told by your husband or your god or your mullah?
that's absolutely NOT what he's saying
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Old 25.11.2015, 09:20
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Re: Women wearing a burqa will be fined £6,500 in Switzerland

The burka is not part of the religion. Yes, I think it's a way to keep women subversive.

I'm for the ban.
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Old 25.11.2015, 09:22
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Would you prefer to be told by your husband or your god or your mullah?
I wouldn't prefer that either. But I object to laws that prohibit people dressing as they choose. If the burka is a problem, then the cause needs to be addressed, an outright ban will achieve nothing other than further alienate an already isolated population.

Why stop at the burka anyhow? Why not go after Goths, Orthodox Jews, Sikhs, the Sari, the Amish, Punk rockers, etc. etc.
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Old 25.11.2015, 09:58
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Re: Women wearing a burqa will be fined £6,500 in Switzerland

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The burka is not part of the religion. Yes, I think it's a way to keep women subversive.

I'm for the ban.
I hope this was autocorrect.

So then you`re all for banning subversiveness in women?
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I hope this was autocorrect.

So then you`re all for banning subversiveness in women?
Damn you auto correct.
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Old 25.11.2015, 10:40
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Re: Women wearing a burqa will be fined £6,500 in Switzerland

Just for the record: Ticino made two new laws - they outlawed any clothing that covers your face in public. And you'll get a lower fine if you are just a Muslim lady walking on the street and a higher one if you are a demonstrator covering your face to riot.

Fun fact: covering your face during any form of mass event has been illegal in most of Europe for many years. In Switzerland is this of course a matter of the canton, so it was only outlawed in BS (since 1990!), ZH, BE, TG, SO, LU and SG. Yes, I am sure there must be some exception in the law for Fastnacht.

Side note: I guess there are not that many demonstrations in places like BL or AG if they never saw a need to follow the cities with a similar law...
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Old 25.11.2015, 10:53
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Re: Women wearing a burqa will be fined £6,500 in Switzerland

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Fun fact: covering your face during any form of mass event has been illegal in most of Europe for many years.
I agree. However, this ban has not been implemented equally across the board and you still regularly see demonstrators and rioters who cover their faces.

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In Switzerland is this of course a matter of the canton, so it was only outlawed in BS (since 1990!), ZH, BE, TG, SO, LU and SG. Yes, I am sure there must be some exception in the law for Fastnacht.
Yes, there are exceptions for cultural / traditional purposes and also for events for which exceptions can be applied for. If you want to organize a mass Darth Vader march for example, or a Chinese dragon dance, that is something you can enter an application for and that will be approved if there is no pressing reason to disallow it. See Versammlungsfreiheit etc.

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Side note: I guess there are not that many demonstrations in places like BL or AG if they never saw a need to follow the cities with a similar law...
Or that people from AG come to ZH to demonstrate. For the same reason that most demonstrations in ZH are in the central area and not out in the deep burbs.
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Old 25.11.2015, 12:38
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Re: Women wearing a burqa will be fined £6,500 in Switzerland

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I agree. However, this ban has not been implemented equally across the board and you still regularly see demonstrators and rioters who cover their faces.
The point of a law is not only to prevent people from doing something (that's at times hard, even if you are armed riot police...) but also to have a handle on them afterwards. Just like Al Capone went to jail for tax fraud, not murder: If you cannot prove who from the "black block" threw a stone and who did not can you arrest them all and at least fine them for the balaclava...
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Re: Women wearing a burqa will be fined £6,500 in Switzerland

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Being forced by a husband or a mullah is already a crime under Swiss law.

So the husband/father/brother wants to enforce "must"
Now the state wants to enforce "must not".

Do explain how this improves the life of the person actually affected most by this, the woman who is caught between patriarchy and statism.

Instead spend some money educating women trapped in such situations about their rights under Swiss law.
Agree, only problem is that for most part women who have to wear such things rarely get the opportunity to educate themselves.
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