This is one of the key points of the whole horrible situation.. regardless of motive, sexual or theft etc.. There's pretty much no good deterrent to prevent this happening again, regardless of where they came from exactly and their status as refugee or whatever, they ain't got much to fear from the local justice system. They can't ALL be jailed, if they all got arrested.
IF this was carefully planned via social media or something then they were VERY good at keeping it quiet and their co-ordination is to be admired, better than the police for sure.
Do the authorities in DE/FR/CH/UK etc actually have a defence against this? What if 2k or 5k of them appear at the next big event? The cops can't arrest all of them, they can't shoot them all, they can't deport them if they could even detain them or even find space in jail for them.. if only 20 got arrested (and of course will go without strong punishment) the group pretty much got away with it and might just make them see this as a good plan for next time.
So do what? Ask them nicely not to do it again? Pay them not to do it again? Stop all events like Oktoberfest and cancel next NYE? Prevent females from going to events?
It's lovely to say we all need to be friends and integrate but what, practically can be done if/when it happens again?
He didn't exactly lose his job.
He was put onto "temporary retirement".
Which means that he gets his full salary, but doesn't have to turn up for work.
This status can continue until he actually hits the retirement age.
Still cheaper than putting any of those thieves into a prison for x-hundred a day per person. That is the saddest thing about all these.
Petty-thieves cause less costs outside the prison than inside.
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Interestingly, the German government just confirmed that 18 of 32 people arrested were refugees.
None of the refugees were arrested for sexual assault or rape. Primarily Theft.
So, remind me of the evidence you have that said 1000s of refugees are raping women in Cologne?
The German police say the 1,000+ mob in Köln was mainly controlled by freshly arrived refugees from Syria, that were attacking women for "sexual amusement". So far I've read of around 2 or 3 reported rapes related to the central Köln attacks, and about 100 reports of sexual molestation and robbery, with many of those saying they would have been raped if not for passer-bys or police getting involved.
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"Die meisten waren frisch eingereiste Asylbewerber"
Polizisten dementieren Angaben ihrer Führung, wonach die Täter von Köln unbekannt seien. Die meisten Kontrollierten seien Syrer gewesen. Den Tätern sei es vor allem um "sexuelles Amüsement" gegangen.
I have entire pages of "This user is on your Ignore List." in this thread. The problem is that it makes it really hard to follow the discussion and know what sources have already been shared and which not.
fixed that for you
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Anybody who is still suggesting that the men involved were not recent migrants, then who do you think they were?
By all reports they were largely of North African/Middle Eastern appearance, so if they were not recent migrants then we assume they are people who have (or parents have) previously migrated to Germany.
These are the same people who are supposedly already integrated into German society? Who understand and respect the rules and culture of their host land?
Good grief
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I say again - its only unprecedented because so many refugees were involved. If it was natives of Cologne, it probably wouldn't breach national news.
I'll partly agree with you there. The fact that so many refugees were involved does differentiate it. These people were just welcomed into Germany, given food, clothing and housing at Germans expense... and then instead of being thankful, they attack random women for "sexual amusement" and even joke about it ("I'm Syrian refugee, be nice to me, I was invited by Frau Merkel"). And it's not just in one isolated incident, but multiple incidents in several cities involving thousands of migrants/refugees.
...and it seems, for some reason, many people, including police, are trying to turn a blind eye out of some kind of political correctness
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Based on the first internal report by the Cologne police, multiple media outlets have suggested a significant number of suspects were asylum seekers.
Quoting police sources, Cologne daily "Kölner Stadt-Anzeiger" said the officer leading the team at the station wanted the report to include mention of Syrians and asylum seekers, but the senior officer writing the police report decided not to, saying it would be "politically awkward."
Arguing whether it was one rape or a thousand is irrelevant. They have destroyed someones faith in humanity & given them who knows what disease. A lot of people will be worried about going out now. It's a sort of terrorism. Many of them can't "be sent back" as their original countries won't take them. It said on the news there is now a famine in Syria & the Red Cross can't get in to help. How much is true there again who knows as journalists seem to be able to film interviews. Anyone with rose coloured glasses on about what's happening in the world, take them off.
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Interestingly, the German government just confirmed that 18 of 32 people arrested were refugees.
None of the refugees were arrested for sexual assault or rape. Primarily Theft.
So, remind me of the evidence you have that said 1000s of refugees are raping women in Cologne?
Maybe its easier to prove, that the Phone in person X's pocket was stolen from Victim Y than it is to prove person X's fingerprints are on Victim Y's Butt ? Do you think all these girls lie ? Do they lie in Finland and Zürich too ?
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Not really. Where does she plan to send them back to? I dont't see that happen that someone is deported to Syria.
She has to start by stopping the open door policy towards letting more immigrant youths in - she won't of course - since it's HER POLICY and she would have to take fall for admitting being dead wrong.
It should be relatively easy to deport all non Syrians however - but she won't do it.
But Bild quoted a senior police officer in Frankfurt as saying it was standard policy to keep offences by asylum-seekers from the media. “There are strict orders from the chiefs not to report offences by refugees,” the unnamed officer said. “We are only allowed to answer if journalists ask specifically about such incidents.”
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Editors have replied that they were following the official account of the Cologne police that the night had been “peaceful”. But it has also emerged that even after the story hit the national media, guests on public service television were asked not to mention asylum-seekers in interviews about the Cologne assaults. A week after the incidents, government ministers and the Cologne authorities were still insisting there was no evidence refugees were involved. On Friday, suspicions against then were confirmed for the first time, when the federal police said asylum-seekers are among 31 people it is seeking in connection with events inside the station that night. They are wanted for physical violence and theft, but not for sexual assault.
So much for press freedom in Germany... honestly can't believe the government has not fallen on it's sword...
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And now therer is a demonstration from Pegida in Cologne, and they're using Water Cannons against them.
That would have made so much more sense on new years eve. It would be easier to identify all the soaking wet people, who arrived back home / where spotted near where they live / at the asylum centre.
As a Bonus it would also have prevented these lunatics from shooting fireworks into the crowd.
Holy crap... check out this video of NYE in Berlin... not only were fireworks being set off into the streets, but people were firing actual guns into the air! https://www.facebook.com/paul.j.wats...3880243686171/
MURDER Additional brutal knife murder committed by an Eritrean asylum-seekers were given a few days ago its legal resolution. A seven year old girl was stabbed to death in an apartment in Upplands-Bro in northern Stockholm on 25 July this year of a 36 year old man, Daniel Gebru, as ten months earlier arrived as the welfare of migrants to Sweden from Eritrea.
Apparently it was ignored by the mainstream media to prevent adverse effects.
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She has to start by stopping the open door policy towards letting more immigrant youths in - she won't of course - since it's HER POLICY and she would have to take fall for admitting being dead wrong.
It should be relatively easy to deport all non Syrians however - but she won't do it.
So much for press freedom in Germany... honestly can't believe the government has not fallen on it's sword...
Really? Do you think it is that easy? Just deport them, whereto please
I'll partly agree with you there. The fact that so many refugees were involved does differentiate it. These people were just welcomed into Germany, given food, clothing and housing at Germans expense... and then instead of being thankful, they attack random women for "sexual amusement" and even joke about it ("I'm Syrian refugee, be nice to me, I was invited by Frau Merkel"). And it's not just in one isolated incident, but multiple incidents in several cities involving thousands of migrants/refugees.
...and it seems, for some reason, many people, including police, are trying to turn a blind eye out of some kind of political correctness
Holy crap... check out this video of NYE in Berlin... not only were fireworks being set off into the streets, but people were firing actual guns into the air! https://www.facebook.com/paul.j.wats...3880243686171/
In other news...
Apparently it was ignored by the mainstream media to prevent adverse effects.
Since you speak German, listen to this video and the reporter, she tells what it is about and especially who they are.
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