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What is weak is cherry picking random, poorly controlled statistics to support some pretty racist sentiments. If this thread is about the sexual assaults in Cologne, then why are we discussing Egypt? Oh yes, because someone mentioned its cultural, so basically Syrian, Moroccan, Algerian, Afghani, Tunisian, Egyptian etc.. men are all the same? Much in the same way that all European men are the same?
Right, back to Syria, where women's rights are worse than in Egypt, ranked 108, compared to 134 for Syria, and New York (USA) ranked 8th for women's rights...
http://hdr.undp.org/en/composite/GII

And can you please point out specific racist comments in this thread? Because that shouldn't be tolerated here.

A UN report on women's rights in Syria (I assume the UN is not a "racist" organization?)
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The penal code of 1949 affords women special protections from verbal and physical harassment and violence perpetrated by men, yet a number of other laws deprive women of these protections, usually for the sake of family "honor." For example, Article 508 of the penal code states: "If there is a contracted marriage between the man who commits rape, sexual abuse, kidnapping, sexual harassment and the victim, then there is no charge or the punishment is stopped." Victims' families may favor this option in order to mitigate public scandal. Many women do not have the choice of refusing marriage in such cases either due to family pressure or due to fear of further harassment and social stigma.
The penal code condones violence against women. Marital rape is not a crime in Syrian law, and women have no legal recourse should their husband assault them. Furthermore, a judge may legally reduce the sentence for a man convicted of a so-called "honor crime," – the murder or beating of or causing injury to his wife or female family member for alleged sexual misconduct.
Adultery is a crime in Syrian law, but the conditions required for proving adultery in the court are different for men and women. In presenting a case against his wife, a man may produce any form of evidence – witnesses, physical proof, or written documents – before the judge. A woman, in contrast, may only present written evidence of her husband's infidelity. Additionally, the husband must have committed the crime of adultery inside the family home in order to be charged, while a woman may be prosecuted for committing adultery anywhere. The punishment for adultery is more severe for a woman than it is for a man. If convicted of adultery, women may serve 3 months to 2 years in prison, while men serve only 1 month to 1 year.


Syrian laws governing behavior within marriage discriminate against women. A woman must obey her husband or risk losing financial support.


Syria has no laws to protect women from domestic violence. Patriarchal social customs tend to tolerate a man hitting his wife, and women are often discouraged from reporting violence against themselves or their children. Syrian police officials are not sympathetic to women victims of family violence and lack gender-sensitive training to deal with such cases.
http://www.refworld.org/docid/47387b70c.html

I think it's clear to everyone that the culture in Syria (and large portions of the Middle East) regarding women's rights and treatment are not in-line with European standards? Which can then explain about the culture-clash in Köln on NYE?
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If this thread is about the sexual assaults in Cologne, then why are we discussing Egypt?.
Because there were attacks not only in Cologne but also in other cities across Europe, all sharing the traits of similar assaults which happened in places like Egypt as per statements coming from German police. Thought you read the press.
And the assaults did happen in a similar way if you read what those women declared
http://www.express.de/koeln/koeln-se...hnhof-23252186
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Or the arabic name for these kinds of sexual attacks, taharrush gamea, made famous in the West after Lara Logan was attacked in Tahrir Square, when Mubarak we deposed

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Or the arabic name for these kinds of sexual attacks, taharrush gamea, made famous in the West after Lara Logan was attacked in Tahrir Square, when Mubarak we deposed
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It was covered in the Swiss press too

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/panorama...story/23867101
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It's relevant as the core culture is islamic and related to the migrants arriving here. Both Egypt and Syria and 90+% Islamic. Both have similar attitudes towards women, as do most Islamic nations, with the more developed examples such as Saudi Arabia and Iran displaying that with low women's rights as opposed to direct aggression.
since we all love a quote....


Christianity

Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.
(Colossians 3:18; cf. 1 Peter 3:1 and Ephesians 5:22)

... I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man...For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, foreasmuch as he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
(1 Corinthians 11:3 & 7-9)

Let your women keep silence in churches: for it is not permitted unto them; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also sayeth the law.
(1 Corinthians 14:34, c/f 1 Corinthians 11:3-9 & Timothy 2:11-12)


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"And for women are rights over men similar to those of men over women." [Quran 2:228]

"O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should you treat them with harshness, that you may take away part of the dowry you have given them - except when they have become guilty of open lewdness. On the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If you take a dislike to them, it may be that you dislike something and Allah will bring about through it a great deal of good." [Quran 4:19]
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It's relevant as the core culture is islamic and related to the migrants arriving here. Both Egypt and Syria and 90+% Islamic. Both have similar attitudes towards women, as do most Islamic nations, with the more developed examples such as Saudi Arabia and Iran displaying that with low women's rights as opposed to direct aggression.
Islam is a culture??? I though it was a religion. So apparently Muslims in Syria, Malaysia, Indonesia, Iran, The Maldives, Brunei etc.. all have similar cultures?
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Some shite from the Bible and Quran
And there we have it folks, five quotes that PROVE Islamic women have it better than Christians women. CASE CLOSED.
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since we all love a quote....
Unless the women happen to be "(the captives) whom their right hand possesses", right?
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And there we have it folks, five quotes that PROVE Islamic women have it better than Christians women. CASE CLOSED.
Nope. The quotes don't give any insight at all into how good Christian or Islamic women have it. That was the point.
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Good punt MidfieldGeneral! That is exactly the tactic to conversations prescribed by the left. Downplay the racial aspect, and divert to violence against women. Well played.

And on the other topic?
thanks Phos, I tried to answer your question and sorry it didn't fit into your preconceived notions
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Islam is a culture??? I though it was a religion. So apparently Muslims in Syria, Malaysia, Indonesia, Iran, The Maldives, Brunei etc.. all have similar cultures?
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Nope. The quotes don't give any insight at all into how good Christian or Islamic women have it. That was the point.
Religion and culture are indeed separate, but are still deeply intertwined in alot of ways. I don't think anyone can say that Islam doesn't have a very strong effect on ME culture, and on the peoples daily lives there. Can you picture the ME without Islam?
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Islam is a culture??? I though it was a religion. So apparently Muslims in Syria, Malaysia, Indonesia, Iran, The Maldives, Brunei etc.. all have similar cultures?
Islamic culture. Google it.

If you think cultures are not heavily influenced in common ways by living life by the teachings of a religion then I severely question your ability to rationalise. Mind you come to think of it, I think most of us have been questioning it for the last 10 pages or so.
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thanks Phos, I tried to answer your question and sorry it didn't fit into your preconceived notions
That's fine, but let me see if I can get candid and frank thoughts in uncharted territories.

I have an idea. What if we held sanctioned taharrush gamea nights at the local discotheque, all with willing participants, and with safe words to make sure nobody gets killed or injured. That may get the marauding swarms off the streets, which is really the big problem with this situation. Would that make everybody happy? How would leftists and feminists react to that?
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That's fine, but let me see if I can get candid and frank thoughts in uncharted territories.

I have an idea. What if we held sanctioned taharrush gamea nights at the local discotheque, all with willing participants, and with safe words to make sure nobody gets killed or injured. That may get the marauding swarms off the streets, which is really the big problem with this situation. Would that make everybody happy? How would leftists and feminists react to that?
I'll humour you but they are daft questions for someone of your intelligence and erudition.

i) No and ii) they would be appalled and disgusted and demand justice

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I'll humour you but they are daft questions for someone of your intelligence and erudition.

i) No and ii) they would be appalled and disgusted and demand justice

Arguing with you is like wrestling with a pig: the pig loves it and one just gets dirty
Demand justice for what? I said willing participants. I figure prostitution is legal in Germany, and these "boys" need an outlet, instead of taking it out on the rest of their host society.
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Demand justice for what? I said willing participants. I figure prostitution is legal in Germany, and these "boys" need an outlet, instead of taking it out on the rest of their host society.
Wait for the next wave of outrage at the headline "Germany welcomes migrants by providing free prostitutes".
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Comparing wolf whistles with touching, undressing, sticking fingers in women's underpants is the most stupid thing I have read on EF lately. And that's a record.

We are talking about this type of attacks here
Here`s something to entertain, and lend some thought to the future, on this snowy afternoon ...... Do take the time to watch some of the other interesting links, especially the brutality shown to white women, by these poor refugees and asylum seekers. Do you all really want your daughters to be treated like this?

https://youtu.be/ZDKk15KcqNk
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Islamic culture. Google it.
Islamic culture refers to things done by some Muslims, normally hundreds of years ago. There is no common Islamic culture - no common language, musical tradition, food, mannerisms, shared history - nothing. Speaking of Islamic culture is a little like speaking of European culture and then looking at the commonalities of Sweden and Armenia.
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Islamic culture refers to things done by some Muslims, normally hundreds of years ago. There is no common Islamic culture - no common language, musical tradition, food, mannerisms, shared history - nothing. Speaking of Islamic culture is a little like speaking of European culture and then looking at the commonalities of Sweden and Armenia.
It is a term still used, and the context is obvious for the reasons I listed in the above post. The Islamic faith that people live by has a clear effect on cultural development, and many similar traits can be found to various degrees throughout many Islamic faith cultures. Attitudes to women being a key example.

Engaging in semantics doesn't change that.
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Here`s something to entertain, and lend some thought to the future, on this snowy afternoon ...... Do take the time to watch some of the other interesting links, especially the brutality shown to white women, by these poor refugees and asylum seekers. Do you all really want your daughters to be treated like this?

https://youtu.be/ZDKk15KcqNk
I will take a look at that, smoky. I am already terrified by what happened and the lack of empathy shown to the victims... those women must have been traumatised for life.

Police is afraid to act...

https://www.rt.com/news/328628-germa...icer-refugees/
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