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Chuff · #**521** 15.01.2016, 14:04

	Quote:	MrVertigo
	Just a few examples: Tunisia or Turkey or Lebanon. - No polygamy allowed, - no repudiation allowed only divorce through court that preserves women & children rights, - education in school is mandatory, - women can work and have political responsibilities (vote and being elected). Does it mean there is no rape at all in those countries or honor killings? No it still exists but not to the level to make it a cultural "feature" of those countries.

Turkey has a lot of womens rights issues, it's not only rape of honor killings that matter.

Turkey was very secular for a while, but has again been getting increasingly worse since Edogan took power http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_7099184.html

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	ISTANBUL/ANKARA, April 20 (Reuters) - When 20-year-old Ozgecan Aslan was stabbed and beaten to death after trying to fight off a man bent on raping her on a minibus, Turkey's president called violence against women the country's "bleeding wound." But two months after her murder, groups that have campaigned for years on women's rights complain that President Tayyip Erdogan is still sidelining them, preferring to work with newer organizations including one in which his daughter has a prominent role. Women's groups and opposition politicians have criticized Erdogan, a devout Muslim, for slamming abortion, calling birth control "'treason," telling women how many children to have and dismissing the Western idea of gender equality

Erdogan is, of course, a devout Muslim.

Castro · #**522** 15.01.2016, 14:35

	Quote:	Chuff
	Turkey was very secular for a while, but has again been getting increasingly worse since Edogan took power

The Turkish economy and healthcare haven't been getting worse, which is probably why his AKP party keep on getting voted back into government.

Just looking at aviation during his tenure, the number of airports in the country has doubled and the National Carrier has been voted Skytrax Best Airline in Europe for 5 successive years. These are prestige wins for his party which help their credibility and electability no end.

Of course they are not as important as the fundamental rights of women and minorities, but you cannot blithely state that things are getting worse since he was elected.

#**523** 15.01.2016, 14:44

	Quote:	Castro
	The Turkish economy and healthcare haven't been getting worse, which is probably why his AKP party keep on getting voted back into government. Just looking at aviation during his tenure, the number of airports in the country has doubled and the National Carrier has been voted Skytrax Best Airline in Europe for 5 successive years. These are prestige wins for his party which help their credibility and electability no end. Of course they are not as important as the fundamental rights of women and minorities, but you cannot blithely state that things are getting worse since he was elected.

You forgot to mention that the trains are also running on time.

Castro · #**524** 15.01.2016, 14:45

	Quote:	Pashosh
	You forgot to mention that the trains are also running on time.

LOL, good one

#**525** 15.01.2016, 14:57

More capitulation by Germany:

Rhine town cancels Carnival parade following Cologne assaults

At this rate, why bother integrating, when the germans will integrate to you?

esto · #**526** 15.01.2016, 15:04

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	"We saw a huge spike of sales numbers after January," said Ingo Meinhard, head of the German association for gunsmiths and weapons dealers. The association expected purchases of "so-called deterrents and defensive small arms" to at least double in 2016 following the Cologne attacks, Meinhard told NBC News. "CS gas spray, stun guns and pepper spray are especially in great demand," he added.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/eur...-sales-n497201

Might not be a bad idea to arm yourself. Imagine what would have happened if he didn't have a gun on him?

How does this work?

Castro · #**527** 15.01.2016, 15:17

	Quote:	esto
	How does this work?

This is no better than hate propaganda, the thugs in the video have French accents and are therefore unlikely to be refugees. In addition how can you deduce a person's religion based on that appearance?

Phil_MCR · #**528** 15.01.2016, 15:18

	Quote:	Castro
	This is no better than hate propaganda, the thugs in the video have French accents and are therefore unlikely to be refugees. In addition how can you deduce a person's religion based on that appearance?

exactly, "You people are being racist. It's part of their culture to savagely beat up and abuse locals and in the spirit of multiculturalism, we should embrace that."

first youtube comment delivers.

twenty · #**529** 15.01.2016, 15:40

Most Christian countries are wealthy and developed but here's what happens when they're not.

http://www.bbc.com/news/35321425

kriss kross · #**530** 15.01.2016, 15:42

	Quote:	MrVertigo
	If you take any male citizen of ME & NA with good education, good job there is a very small likelihood that he will exercise a form of violence against his wife or wives (if he can afford). It's not cultural

Why the f*** do they need a good education and a good job to ensure that they won't harass and assault women? Can they not just be taught as children to show some basic respect for women?

twenty · #**531** 15.01.2016, 15:46

	Quote:	kriss kross
	Why the f** do they need a good education and a good job to ensure that they won't harass and assault women? Can they not just be taught as children to show some basic respect for women?*

That'd be nice but unfortunately poor, uneducated people without hope of betterment rarely act as you'd like them to. This is true of people in similar situations in every country. It is true that following Islam strictly will lead to inequality between men and women but so will following the ancient rites of Judaism and Christianity. Just happens that these two "grew up" in the crucible of enlightenment Europe.

kriss kross · #**532** 15.01.2016, 15:52

	Quote:	MrVertigo
	Just a few examples: Tunisia or Turkey or Lebanon. - No polygamy allowed, - no repudiation allowed only divorce through court that preserves women & children rights, - education in school is mandatory, - women can work and have political responsibilities (vote and being elected). Does it mean there is no rape at all in those countries or honor killings? No it still exists but not to the level to make it a cultural "feature" of those countries.

Sexual harassment in Tunisa, Turkey and Lebanon within the last year:

http://www.tunisia-live.net/2015/06/...sment-tunisia/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_6699702.html

https://www.hrw.org/news/2013/11/26/...ssed-exploited

#**533** 15.01.2016, 15:56

	Quote:	twenty
	That'd be nice but unfortunately poor, uneducated people without hope of betterment rarely act as you'd like them to. This is true of people in similar situations in every country. It is true that following Islam strictly will lead to inequality between men and women but so will following the ancient rites of Judaism and Christianity. Just happens that these two "grew up" in the crucible of enlightenment Europe.

Doesn't that mean they are not ready to participate in normal society unattended? Do they need to be kept separate?

twenty · #**534** 15.01.2016, 16:06

	Quote:	Phos
	Doesn't that mean they are not ready to participate in normal society unattended? Do they need to be kept separate?

Monitored carefully and educated intensively I'd say. I'd question whether you can gather any group of young men and release them into the wild unmonitored and unsupervised and expect great results.

kriss kross · #**535** 15.01.2016, 16:21

	Quote:	twenty
	Monitored carefully and educated intensively I'd say. I'd question whether you can gather any group of young men and release them into the wild unmonitored and unsupervised and expect great results.

We are talking about Germany, Western Europe in 2016 aren't we?

#**536** 15.01.2016, 16:39

So Germany turning to Apartheid?

German town bans refugees from swimming pool

Castro · #**537** 15.01.2016, 16:49

Faced with stonewalling from Berlin on accommodating migrants, I suspect many town officials are deciding to take matters into their own hands with guaranteed headline grabbing acts.

Urs Max · #**538** 15.01.2016, 16:50

	Quote:	Phos
	This is actually a great idea. Reminds me of a Korean community I know of. When someone of their own does wrong, their community elders come down on them hard themselves. The have nearly 0% members in incarceration. Now, if this was only practiced elsewhere, we wouldn't have these problems, and they wouldn't have to be in Germany.

So you are advocating a 2nd rule of law. And I always thought you were against Scharia.

It does show your hipocrisy though as well as your double standards.

#**539** 15.01.2016, 16:58

	Quote:	Urs Max
	So you are advocating a 2nd rule of law. And I always thought you were against Scharia. It does show your hipocrisy though as well as your double standards.

A huge leap from enforcing integration and obedience to german laws, to setting up a parallel foreign society.

Chuff · #**540** 15.01.2016, 17:09

	Quote:	Castro
	The Turkish economy and healthcare haven't been getting worse, which is probably why his AKP party keep on getting voted back into government. Just looking at aviation during his tenure, the number of airports in the country has doubled and the National Carrier has been voted Skytrax Best Airline in Europe for 5 successive years. These are prestige wins for his party which help their credibility and electability no end. Of course they are not as important as the fundamental rights of women and minorities, but you cannot blithely state that things are getting worse since he was elected.

Castro, im not even remotely talking about infrastructure and airports, that has no relevance in the context of the discussion we are having now, and the fact I have to explain this is incredibly groan-worthy. We are talking specifically about fundamental human rights issues, which have worsened under Erdogan.