Arab gang assaults in Germany - Page 29

greenmount · #**561** 17.01.2016, 14:47

	Quote:	Blueangel
	And the Americans. Do you remember all the pressure GWB's administration tried to put on the E.U. to admit Turkey as a member country? I'd only been in Istanbul for a couple of hours when I was advised by a hotel manager to not discuss politics in a public place because the country is so split. This was sparked by me noticing a framed photo of Bill Clinton at the hotel on the wall of the hotel lounge.

Ehm, actually, the love affair of Turkey with EU and Europe in general is much longer and older than poor GBW's unsuccessful lobby, and definitely older than his accession to US presidency...

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	Turkey's application to accede to the European Economic Community, the predecessor of the European Union (EU), was made on 14 April 1987. Turkey has been an associate member since 1963.[4] After the ten founding members, Turkey was one of the first countries to become a member of the Council of Europe in 1949, and was also a founding member of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) in 1961[5] and the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) in 1973. The country has also been an associate member of the Western European Union from 1992 to its end in 2011, and is a part of the "Western Europe" branch of the Western European and Others Group (WEOG) at the United Nations. Turkey signed a Customs Union agreement with the EU in 1995 and was officially recognised as a candidate for full membership on 12 December 1999, at the Helsinki summit of the European Council. Negotiations were started on 3 October 2005.[6] The membership bid has become a major controversy of the ongoing enlargement of the European Union.[7]

Not that would change anything, but I thought it was worth mentioning it.
from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Access...European_Union
The country made huge steps backwards, that's all.

Blueangel · #**562** 17.01.2016, 14:54

	Quote:	greenmount
	Ehm, actually, the love affair of Turkey with EU and Europe in general is much longer and older than poor GBW's unsuccessful lobby, and definitely older than his accession to US presidency... Not that would change anything, but I thought it was worth mentioning it. from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Access...European_Union The country made huge steps backwards, that's all.

I did know that. I was trying to make the point that there had been outside intervention attempts to force the E.U.'s hand in this matter. We'll just have to wait for Erdogan to shuffle off to see how the situation develops.

MrVertigo · #**563** 17.01.2016, 14:56

	Quote:	Pashosh
	So even in the most advanced Arab countries it takes a university degree to know that rape is wrong ? There is no point in comparing human rights in general and Women rights in particular in western and Arab countries. It's shame that it took the mass assaults in Germany to bring this to attention. @Richdog - please avoid pointing out the major problems the Arab & Muslim world has, especially if they can't be blamed on the west. otherwise you will be considered "Haughty" and even an "Orientalist". As we learned from the Arab spring - the Arab world is has moved on from Dictatorships to Democracy. yippee.

following me in every post and every thread like a puppy. Looking for a bone to chew?

Chuff · #**564** 17.01.2016, 15:08

	Quote:	MrVertigo
	following me in every post and every thread like a puppy. Looking for a bone to chew?

The difference is that in this instance he is posting with logic and common sense, and you are not.

	Quote:	MrVertigo
	I think it may help you grow, reach happiness and focus instead your energy and intelligence on positivity. Some people in EF who claim to know you in real life describe you as a very nice person....let that side of yourself speak in EF.

I am nice but at the same time Im no angel, and the difference is that in real life I don't hear people talking the same disagreeable things as I do on the forum. I'm not trying to please anyone here so please don't think appealing to my better nature with sentimental things like that will change the way I post. It won't.

Pashosh · #**565** 17.01.2016, 15:09

It would be beneficial for the thread to hear from a North African his opinion on why were North Africans the majority of the offenders in Köln.

MrVertigo · #**566** 17.01.2016, 15:23

	Quote:	Pashosh
	It would be beneficial for the thread to hear from a North African his opinion on why were North Africans the majority of the offenders in Köln.

you'd better ask the german police, dont you think so?

Pashosh · #**567** 17.01.2016, 15:28

	Quote:	MrVertigo
	you'd better ask the german police, dont you think so?

You are much faster and you have an insider knowledge about the offender's culture.

MrVertigo · #**568** 17.01.2016, 15:35

	Quote:	Pashosh
	You are much faster and you have an insider knowledge about the offender's culture.

if I had insider knowledge about any offender regardless of culture I'd communicate that first to the police and not here.
I'm sure you'd do the same if you heard about offenders who set fire to a house or mosque and killing babies.

Pashosh · #**569** 17.01.2016, 15:45

	Quote:	MrVertigo
	if I had insider knowledge about any offender regardless of culture I'd communicate that first to the police and not here. I'm sure you'd do the same if you heard about offenders who set fire to a house or mosque and killing babies.

First dodging the question then misquoting: I said "You share knowledge about the offender's culture" not the crime. Please share this cultural knowledge with us.

MrVertigo · #**570** 17.01.2016, 15:51

	Quote:	Pashosh
	First dodging the question then misquoting: I said "You share knowledge about the offender's culture" not the crime. Please share this cultural knowledge with us.

Sorry you are talking to the wrong person, it's not part of my culture to rape women or exercise physical violence....I can't invent the cultural reasons just to please you. As if I asked you to explain to me the reasons behind settler's action because killing babies and burning mosques is also part of your culture and that you share the same enjoyment about killed babies as them during wedding parties (you've seen that video I guess on TV).

Pashosh · #**571** 17.01.2016, 15:59

	Quote:	MrVertigo
	Sorry you are talking to the wrong person, it's not part of my culture to rape women or exercise physical violence....I can't invent the cultural reasons just to please you. As if I asked you to explain to me the reasons behind settler's action because killing babies and burning mosques is also part of your culture and that you share the same enjoyment about killed babies as them during wedding parties (you've seen that video I guess on TV).

I'm glad that North African attitude to rape and violence didn't affect you. However - you spend decades in Arab countries,have close Arab family members, has deep knowledge about Arab culture - you can contribute to the thread by sharing this knowledge with us.

MrVertigo · #**572** 17.01.2016, 16:36

	Quote:	Pashosh
	I'm glad that North African attitude to rape and violence didn't affect you. However - you spend decades in Arab countries,have close Arab family members, has deep knowledge about Arab culture - you can contribute to the thread by sharing this knowledge with us.

Obviously you have more details about North African attitude to rape and violence, can you share? You've been also to Jordan, Egypt...what was your impression there regarding the culture of violence against women?

There is a good movie about this topic "Cairo 678"....fortunately available for free viewing with english subtitles. I can't post the link here but I can send it by PM.

greenmount · #**573** 17.01.2016, 16:41

	Quote:	Blueangel
	I did know that. I was trying to make the point that there had been outside intervention attempts to force the E.U.'s hand in this matter. We'll just have to wait for Erdogan to shuffle off to see how the situation develops.

OK.

I have mixed feelings about Erdogan's recent attempts to advance this agenda. I truly believe that Turkey should be helped financially, but same goes for Lebanon and Jordan.

Pashosh · #**574** 17.01.2016, 17:10

	Quote:	MrVertigo
	Obviously you have more details about North African attitude to rape and violence, can you share? You've been also to Jordan, Egypt...what was your impression there regarding the culture of violence against women? There is a good movie about this topic "Cairo 678"....fortunately available for free viewing with english subtitles. I can't post the link here but I can send it by PM.

Feel free to send the link - the trailer is promising. Watching Egyptian films was part of my culture. Why don't you want to share your cultural knowledge ?

kriss kross · #**575** 17.01.2016, 18:04

Some positive news (propaganda?) about NYE in Köln:

Group of Syrian refugees save American lady from the mobs:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a6816221.html

#**576** 17.01.2016, 18:34

	Quote:	Pashosh
	First dodging the question then misquoting: I said "You share knowledge about the offender's culture" not the crime. Please share this cultural knowledge with us.

The most candid confessions I've heard are from those who already westernised and are revulsed by it, or those who brag about their "sexual" prowess over helpless kuffar women. I've heard from both types, often after a few drinks or unguarded. I doubt any regular user on EF will fess up, perhaps a drive by poster might.

cannut · #**577** 17.01.2016, 19:02

	Quote:	Pashosh
	I'm glad that North African attitude to rape and violence didn't affect you. However - you spend decades in Arab countries,have close Arab family members, has deep knowledge about Arab culture - you can contribute to the thread by sharing this knowledge with us.

I do love to discuss rape violence in North Africa ,Middle east and the arab world

http://www.timesofisrael.com/3-soldi...-in-rape-case/

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/pers...r-in-1949.html

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-are-girls-wh/

yacek · #**578** 20.01.2016, 14:52

AfD (Alternative fuer Deutschland) representatives are not allowed to a public TV debate before local elections in the lands of Baden-Württemberg and Rheinland-Pfalz. This because the ruling coalition parties - SPD and Green refused to participate in a debate with AfD. AfD's main candidate Jörg Meuthen opinion is that SPD and Green effectively blackmailed the public TV station.
http://rtlnext.rtl.de/cms/alternativ...n-2648820.html

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	Die rechtskonservative Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) darf nicht an den "Elefantenrunden" im SWR teilnehmen. Bei den TV-Diskussionsrunden am 10. März, drei Tage vor den Landtagswahlen in Baden-Württemberg und Rheinland-Pfalz, wird die AfD nicht vertreten sein, wie der SWR am Dienstag in Stuttgart mitteilte. Man habe mit "zusammengebissenen Zähnen" zur Kenntnis genommen, dass die Spitzenkandidaten der regierenden Parteien in beiden Ländern eine Teilnahme für den Fall abgesagt haben, dass die AfD mit am Tisch sitzt, sagte SWR-Intendant Peter Boudgoust. AfD-Spitzenkandidat Jörg Meuthen sprach von einem "teilweise geglückten Erpressungsversuch" durch Ministerpräsident Winfried Kretschmann (Grüne) und SPD-Wirtschaftsminister Nils Schmid (SPD): "Es ist höchst bedauerlich, dass die Herren Kretschmann und Schmid mit ihrem seltsamen Demokratieverständnis den SWR von der angemessenen Erfüllung seines Informationsauftrages abhalten können." Sowohl Kretschmann als auch Boudgoust bestritten, dass es sich um eine Erpressung gehandelt haben könnte.

amogles · #**579** 20.01.2016, 14:55

	Quote:	yacek
	AfD (Alternative fuer Deutschland) representatives are not allowed to a public TV debate before local elections in the lands of Baden-Württemberg and Rheinland-Pfalz. This because the ruling coalition parties - SPD and Green refused to participate in a debate with AfD. AfD's main candidate Jörg Meuthen opinion is that SPD and Green effectively blackmailed the public TV station. http://rtlnext.rtl.de/cms/alternativ...n-2648820.html

If the SPD and Greens refuse to take part, then surely the right thing would be to hold the debate without SPD and Greens.

One more nail in the myth that German TV is not firmly biassed.

#**580** 20.01.2016, 14:57

Lol. So much for freedom of speech. The Nazi party was also banned in the twenties. That turned out well.