The migrants/refugees arriving to the EU are at least being honest and saying that there is actually a culture-clash problem. Alot of European "migrant apologists" like to stick their head in the sand and pretend it doesn't even exist.

Lordy,Lordy!!! What a greater mess Greece will become


So far as I know the EU has not actually paid the e3Bn to Turkey?

Nope. Turkey refused the offer, saying it was by far too little to cover the $9bln in costs they incurred so far. I find the remark by prime minister Ahmed Davutoglu noteworthy when he said that "Turkey is not begging", thus they see themselves on at least even level with EU.

Even if a deal is struck I'm sure borders will be less tight than reasonably doable: Erdogan will make sure the door stays open and the best means to that end at his disposal is to keep some refugees coming. I'm not saying a complete shutdown would be possible, but there will be more than necessary.

Its a stupid idea of a deal to begin with. Basically, what Merkel is asking Turkey to do is imprison people who are not its own citizens within its borders, when Turkey doesn't even want them there.

All for the purpose of the Germans can keeping their conscience clean.

Turkey is waging a bloody civil war with an ethnic minority in its own borders. I find it hard to believe a lil' and peaceful country like Hungary could fence itself off, while Turkey couldn't -Turkey is actively looking the other way while well organized trafficking industry moves people back and forth, weapons, fighters and oil tanker trucks included.

Hardly looking the other way when there is lots of evidence the Turkish government bought a lot of oil from ISIS on the cheap... also Turkish airlines are doing great business bringing in "refugees"from Africa who they know want to head to Europe :
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...migration.html

Yeah, there are these rumors about Erdogan's son being involved in the oil-smuggle...
Probably true, but because Turkey is NATO and EU+US need Turkey right now (and because he can actually get shit done), he's off-the-limits right now.
Could probably eat babies for breakfast and Europe would look the other way.

It's not exactly difficult...turn the boats back and burn them.

Yes, the Africans can order an electronic visa for Turkey on-line and also order a flight ticket.

I'm too much of a lady to post what I think of that remark.

Why shouldn't they be able to?

You can't penalise the people of any African nation because some want to get into Europe via Turkey. I bet Erdogan is freaking loving the rest of Europe knocking on his door for help, sick creature that he is.

I do not have a problem with the people of Africa; I have a problem with Erdogan profiteering by selling visas and tickets.

How do you suggest that they ensure these passengers will not try to stay in Europe? Would you impose a Russian style visa system with letters of invitation?

Well something similar to the EU visa application system would be good.


For a Turkish e visa you only have to pay your 60 bucks; no identity documents, no questions, no supporting documentation - even if, for example, you apply with your home country as Libya or Somalia - Syrian applications are blocked.

I know. Got one last August and was surprised how easy it was. I didn't realise it was the same process for Libya and Somalia, but...Turkey isn't E.U. and we don't want it to be.

It is actually similar for many other destinations, including US and EU - just check theEU requirements here:
http://www.schengenvisainfo.com/sche...-requirements/

That's actually the norm, and visa-free travel is an exception. I wonder why...

Didn't know that... pretty despicable...

And as is so often the case, never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

"The alleged rape of a 13-year-old Russian-speaking girl in Berlin, supposedly by asylum-seekers, has fuelled anti-migrant protests from Germany's large Russian community.

But the outrage was sparked by Russia's media propaganda machine. And now the Kremlin is stepping in.

Thousands of Russian-speakers took to the streets across Germany at the weekend protesting against what they say is a cover-up by police.

"Our children are in danger," read one banner. "Hands off my child," read another.

Seven-hundred protesters gathered outside Angela Merkel's chancellery on Saturday and other demonstrations have been held outside asylum-seekers' homes in Berlin and Southern Germany.

The demonstrators were angry after reports on the popular Russian television station Channel One that a 13-year-old girl from a Russian-immigrant family had been abducted on her way to school and gang-raped by "southern-looking" asylum-seekers.

But German police say that after questioning and examination it was clear that Lisa F was not abducted and not raped. Sexual contact was not forced, say officers. Because the girl is only 13 years old prosecutors are investigating two men for child abuse.

On 11 January Lisa F was reported missing by her family. She re-appeared the next day.

Social media outrage

But a TV interview given by a woman identified as the girl's aunt claimed that the girl was raped by numerous men over the 30-hour period while she was missing. The report that sparked the protests was spread on social media and has so far been watched more than a million times on Facebook.

German lawyer Martin Luithle has now reported the Russian journalist behind the report, Ivan Blagoy, to the police for incitement.

The case has been taken up enthusiastically by right-wing extremists in a bid to fuel anti-migrant sentiment."

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-eu-35413134

Sounds to me as if family members may be involved and the "rape by asylum seekers" claim is to try and shift blame elsewhere.

Agree as usual with Medea... v v fishy story and in particular as Norwegian media reports the FSB themselves (predecessors to the KGB) are actually bussing in "refugees" into Finland !!

http://yle.fi/uutiset/russian_border...raffic/8620174

Surprised no-one has posted this before... is it genuine ???



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGfP8CyJAhg

Wouldn't be surprised Parnell, although the vid link doesn't work for me. But Russians moving people to the border with Finland for money would just be business as usual there.

Well now it's out in the open... 60% of migrants are "economic migrants" and not refugees. Direct information from the European Commissioner himself http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archive...-commissioner/

Confirms what many already suspected...