..it gets better:

One migrant committed this crime
One million immigrants
Not difficult is it

Why are we so interested in one crime in Austria when we ignore hundreds of thousands here?

Somehow reminds me of the Joseph Stalin quote ""The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic."

One crime? Who said anything about one crime...we're talking about an epidemic here!

"in the last couple of days" Actually not "couple of days..." ; it was already posted here
here

No reputable sources then.

It is not enough to quote headline statistics; you need to understand the way the numbers are collected.

For example, from the BBC here;
"In Sweden there has been this ambition explicitly to record every case of sexual violence separately, to make it visible in the statistics,"

"So, for instance, when a woman comes to the police and she says my husband or my fiance raped me almost every day during the last year, the police have to record each of these events, which might be more than 300 events.
In many other countries it would just be one record - one victim, one type of crime, one record."

Erm, there have been many reported crimes... are you saying that this is the only crime committed by migrants during the last months that is relevant in the context of this discussion? If so then you clearly have lost the plot, and not only the context.

+1 internet point for you Marton!111!!!

Ok let's say it differently.

We have already enough deviants, we don't need any more

And criminals or not, the attitude displayed by many of these migrants is clearly a serious problem.
Not even talking about the fact that many are not "refugees" as per the definition but falsely claiming to be victims in order to hide greed, selfish motives and unrealistic expectations of a paradise life.

All that the expense of the hard working citizen of these countries, clearly the one being spoliated by local governments stupidity.

How do you work out the 12 men who gang raped the 29yr old European mother who is now in a wheel chair?

And the 7 men who gang raped that virgin girl and laughed while telling about it?

No, you are right, small petty individual crimes those. Only matters to the victims who suffered thru them. The victims (actually Survivors) whose lives are ruined because the rights of those men is greater than theirs?

C`mon, argue with me now. Include how you would feel if you were raped, or even if you are forcibly held down and have 7 strange men ejaculate into your mouth (equivalent to a women being raped). Or if that happened to one of you daughters?

I'd happily do 15yrs - life for murder, and I'm not just saying that. I was attacked in the street when I was 17, and by an absolute fluke, managed to make a run for it. A year later to the day, I was working behind the bar in a night club and there was a commotion. Some guy had sexually assaulted a girl who he though was alone. Her boyfriend returned and slashed the guy's neck with a broken bottle. Bouncers were screaming at me to phone an ambulance, then I saw it was my attacker and refused. Harsh? Maybe...but the look on his face when he recognised me was worth it.

But let's take this emotive subject down a notch.

What's being reported is an escalation in these crimes. They were already happening before the migrant crisis, but the media wasn't so hungry to report on them then.

You could have agreed and pretended to phone but instead order a dominos pizza to celebrate.

Dominos?!!!! We'd only just got Maccy D's in Wigan!

Can tell you're a posh Manc

Situation is far worse here and has been for a long time but you do not post/care about that?
I quote " "Swiss Child Protection Association claims that up to 25% of women and 10% of men in Switzerland have experienced sexual abuse during childhood."

I was reading about this yesterday. If those stats are accurate, it's astonishing and very disturbing.

As opposed to what percentage in the countries where these people come from? Of course these numbers could be significantly lowered if the punishments were a lot worse, but I will take the 25%/10% and our laws over the lifestyle of 100% abuse of women and who knows what percentage of child abuse over in the countries where these assholes are coming from.

I know it is a very limited sample but I do know a surprising number of Swiss people who are still suffering effects of such childhood incidents although long ago

Probably the incidence of such crimes are very low in those countries because the punishments there are mediaeval.

You wrote "I will take the 25%/10% " Really?
Lucky you are not in a position where you can implement your ideas

So I suppose we go back to Odile's post: "is it legal or is it lawful" - because AFAIC I'd say the incidence of these crimes is high where these people are coming from, it's the (lack of) reporting that does not reflect reality. But this is just repeating what was already said.


Marton, most of the times you post cool stuff, and you are very informed in some areas (or I enjoy the stuff you post on some topics); but you might have to accept that this topic isn't your strong suit.

And yes, really. If I had to choose between a place with 100% (or nearly 100%) abuse of the entire female population and a place with a 25% abuse of the adult female population I know which place I would choose, as sick as that may sound to you. Which is why I refuse to visit countries that tolerate such lifestyle.

I'm not sure you understand the problem. It's not because of the punishment - it's because of the way some see western women.

Incidences of attacks against women in many muslims countries are low because, for these men, their own women are seen as strict muslims.

These same men see western women as an easy lay with no moral compass - I mean, look at the way they dress for example - they're begging for it.


Do children get attacked? Yes - the incidence of child abuse in Peshawar amongst street children is really high - about 90% have been sexually abused.

Of course it's only a small percentage of the population who act like this but that's still a lot of people when the population is so high.
Which translates to a fair number also making the journey to Europe.

There's an article here

I would recommend you to search "Why Heidi was bare footed", heidi of Switzerland i mean