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Old 18.08.2016, 10:06
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What is Europe supposed to do in these circumstances in your view, if I may ask?
Uh? get smart leaders for a start.

It's all very well to complain that the other side is playing smart chess when you're own side hasn't realized the game has begun yet.
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Old 18.08.2016, 10:13
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Which, exactly?
Yes, we all know about that one thread title, but what else?
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Well, you know, obviously his track record of... one action on a thread a while ago.. SURELY that's enough?!?
well, actually, there were two thread title changes and also numerous post deletions. though hard to dig up by the fact that they are now deleted.

maybe as a mod you can see the history, i don't know.
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Yep, Russia has been playing a "very good game of chess". What is Europe supposed to do in these circumstances in your view, if I may ask?
That was a pretty good rant though.
Seriously?!

Maybe we should leave them be, they're doing their best.
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Old 18.08.2016, 10:32
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Uh? get smart leaders for a start.
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That's vague. Everyone wants smart leaders but in this case no-one is able or willing to formulate what are they supposed to do, more exactly.
Shoot at every boat approaching the Greek or Italian coasts? No, it would be against international legislation, human rights and all that. And we care about people, all people isn't it. Get the migrants/refugees into their countries, feed them, cloth them, give them jobs, education etc? No, they're not welcome by a large chunk of population, there will be cultural clashes and there're are no sufficient funds for that, objectively speaking. I think I've read it all here and we're running in circles.
Middle East is a mess and those people will continue to run away even if they're not in immediate danger...as long as the situation lasts.
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Old 18.08.2016, 10:58
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Why is it then that the budget for policing is being increased further?

Maybe you ought to have a word with Angela and tell her it isn't necessary.
Well if you choose not to believe official statistics then that is your choice.

Then I choose not to believe your insinuations
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Old 18.08.2016, 11:01
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Deluded words more like. Never mind, she'll be gone next year. With her only legacy being the woman that changed the face of Germany.

"Refugees have not brought terrorism to Germany", I guess it must be purely coincidence that Germany announced new measures last week to combat terrorism. Increased surveillance, a possible burka ban, steps to make it easier to deport criminals etc.

When will Europe's idiotic leaders learn that the more they peddle this line that "Islam belongs in Europe" the more people will shift to vote for politicians who believe the exact opposite.

http://www.dw.com/en/theres-not-much...ore/a-19480569
Maybe you missed it but there has been an increase in terrorist attacks in W. Europe claimed to be driven by ISIS (not recent refugees) so new measures last week to combat terrorism are sensible.
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Old 18.08.2016, 11:06
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That's vague. Everyone wants smart leaders but in this case no-one is able or willing to formulate what are they supposed to do, more exactly.
Shoot at every boat approaching the Greek or Italian coasts? No, it would be against international legislation, human rights and all that. And we care about people, all people isn't it. Get the migrants/refugees into their countries, feed them, cloth them, give them jobs, education etc? No, they're not welcome by a large chunk of population, there will be cultural clashes and there're are no sufficient funds for that, objectively speaking. I think I've read it all here and we're running in circles.
Middle East is a mess and those people will continue to run away even if they're not in immediate danger...as long as the situation lasts.
If you have a problem, first of all admit you have a problem. Open a debate. Listen to all views and judge them on their merits rather than shutting people down with insults and calling them racists or nazis just because they air certain doubts and objections. Pretending the integration thing is all sweet roses is not helping anyone, not those in power, not those being integrated, and not those into whose societies they are being integrated.

Generally compromises require all standpoints to be recognized in some way and a synthesis formed that recognises and addresses the most legitimate bits from across the board. By selectively shutting down certain standpoints, you are preventing a meaningful debate.

Long ago it was recognized that good government and speech go hand in hand. You can't expect to get one without the other. Somewhere along the line that message has got lost.
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Old 18.08.2016, 11:10
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Well if you choose not to believe official statistics then that is your choice.

Then I choose not to believe your insinuations
Official statistics say the police budget is being increased.

Why do you think that is necessary?
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Old 18.08.2016, 11:13
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Official statistics say the police budget is being increased.
and official statistics state in Germany in 2015 sexual assaults on children dropped by 3.24 percent.
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Old 18.08.2016, 11:20
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and official statistics state in Germany in 2015 sexual assaults on children dropped by 3.24 percent.
and all crime can be reduced to sexual assauts on children?
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Old 18.08.2016, 11:24
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Re: Arab gang assaults in Germany

Merkel was talking in the aforementioned speech about islam that conforms with German constitution and also recognizes equal women rights.
Having looked at a website of a 3rd largest muslim organization in Germany I've read in clear that a muslim woman must marry only a muslim man. I think everybody knows it is a parallel society of sorts, but the white, formerly christian elites don't admit it. I though the state of official denial of obvious facts was gone after '89.
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Old 18.08.2016, 11:30
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Official statistics say the police budget is being increased.

Why do you think that is necessary?
"Why do you think that is necessary?" I do not need to, if I simply use a tool called "google" I find;
"After a series of attacks in France and Germany this summer, Germany’s interior minister revealed new proposals, including increased funding for German police forces."
"Mr. Maizière proposed adding thousands of police officers and improved equipment to the German police force, with a goal of further enabling authorities to scour the “darknet” to intercept terror networks and make “promoting terrorism” a criminal offense."

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Old 18.08.2016, 11:37
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Merkel was talking in the aforementioned speech about islam that conforms with German constitution and also recognizes equal women rights.
Having looked at a website of a 3rd largest muslim organization in Germany I've read in clear that a muslim woman must marry only a muslim man. I think everybody knows it is a parallel society of sorts, but the white, formerly christian elites don't admit it. I though the state of official denial of obvious facts was gone after '89.
Who cares what they write? The reality is that many Muslims marry outside their faith.

It is a common requirement for many religions.
If a Catholic wants to marry people who are not Catholic then express permission of the local Bishop is necessary (also a parallel society?).
The Catholic person must uphold the obligation to preserve his or her own faith and “ensure the baptism and education of the children in the Catholic Church,”
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Old 18.08.2016, 11:41
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I though the state of official denial of obvious facts was gone after '89.
It's not if you vote into power those that were trained in that regime
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Old 18.08.2016, 11:42
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"Why do you think that is necessary?" I do not need to, if I simply use a tool called "google" I find;
"After a series of attacks in France and Germany this summer, Germany’s interior minister revealed new proposals, including increased funding for German police forces."
"Mr. Maizière proposed adding thousands of police officers and improved equipment to the German police force, with a goal of further enabling authorities to scour the “darknet” to intercept terror networks and make “promoting terrorism” a criminal offense."

Glad to help
So terrorism is not criminal activity?

I'm running out of popcorn here.
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That's vague. Everyone wants smart leaders but in this case no-one is able or willing to formulate what are they supposed to do, more exactly.
Shoot at every boat approaching the Greek or Italian coasts? No, it would be against international legislation, human rights and all that. And we care about people, all people isn't it. Get the migrants/refugees into their countries, feed them, cloth them, give them jobs, education etc? No, they're not welcome by a large chunk of population, there will be cultural clashes and there're are no sufficient funds for that, objectively speaking. I think I've read it all here and we're running in circles.
Middle East is a mess and those people will continue to run away even if they're not in immediate danger...as long as the situation lasts.
Around in circles, you got that right.. on another post I answered this regarding the mismanagement of the immigrants by Merkel in that criminals, non-refugees have taken up residence in Germany, Sweden etc. instead of a well-deserving refugees now stuck having been pushed back as Merkel has closed her doors. She is turning a blind eye now and allowing the eastern block countries to, by any means, tidy up her cock-up, the result: an inhuman mess!

Safe Zones in the middle East are there and Jordan & Lebanon are crying out for help but the EU has consistently dealt with the crisis incorrectly: failed to help people before they left for Europe; failed to transport refugees safely to europe; failed to vet people correctly; failed to separate vulnerable children from adults and keep them safe.. Good God! It's not rocket science.

Now to try to keep people safe in Europe they will throw money at a problem that they could have avoided if..

Oh never mind! Let's just go back to denial..
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Merkel was talking in the aforementioned speech about islam that conforms with German constitution and also recognizes equal women rights.
Having looked at a website of a 3rd largest muslim organization in Germany I've read in clear that a muslim woman must marry only a muslim man. I think everybody knows it is a parallel society of sorts, but the white, formerly christian elites don't admit it. I though the state of official denial of obvious facts was gone after '89.
This is a sticking point.. how many women get to choose? Would women wear a bathing suit/bikini and not a burkini, if allowed? Do we know? Are they forced to wear them?

We all want it to work and for religions/peoples to co-exist side by side without conflict, distrust and hate. Is that happening? If not why?

Why does Merkel have to address this in the first place?
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Old 18.08.2016, 13:03
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This is a sticking point.. how many women get to choose? Would women wear a bathing suit/bikini and not a burkini, if allowed? Do we know? Are they forced to wear them?

We all want it to work and for religions/peoples to co-exist side by side without conflict, distrust and hate. Is that happening? If not why?

Why does Merkel have to address this in the first place?
Platitudes and paperwork are the refuge of small minds.

She could have opened a discussion by talking about values, or human rights, or mutual respect, or the philosphy of freedom, or any number of big topics that have the potential to get people involved in a grand and productive dialogue.

Instead she says, people who don't like the constitution are bad. This is the response of a small town clerk sitting behind his desk and finding comfort in complicated laws. In Germany there are already heaps of laws protecting the constitution. Maybe more so than in any non dictatorship. So basically she is pointing at people who could already be prosecuted under existing legislation today and is bleating, bad bad.

What a fat load of good that is going to achieve.
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This is a sticking point.. how many women get to choose? Would women wear a bathing suit/bikini and not a burkini, if allowed? Do we know? Are they forced to wear them?

We all want it to work and for religions/peoples to co-exist side by side without conflict, distrust and hate. Is that happening? If not why?

Why does Merkel have to address this in the first place?
"how many women get to choose?" It is simply a question of human nature.
If they were allowed to choose then some would wear normal clothing and others would not.

You just have to look at Muslims living in Western countries to see that some do and some do not; it is a non question

Indonesia is the country with the largest Muslim population and under Indonesian national and regional law, female head-covering is entirely optional and not obligatory.
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It is a common requirement for many religions.
If a Catholic wants to marry people who are not Catholic then express permission of the local Bishop is necessary (also a parallel society?).
The Catholic person must uphold the obligation to preserve his or her own faith and “ensure the baptism and education of the children in the Catholic Church,”
Add to that the even Christians from another denomination are asked to become "good Catholics"/"*whatever*"... Not that is hugely identity altering, but just so we point that out...
(I still don't know how OH and I got away with nothing of this sort)
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