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Phil_MCR 05.01.2016 15:56

Arab gang assaults in Germany
 
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046

1000s in organised assaults in Germany.

John_H 05.01.2016 16:01

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Nobody will be arrested, it might cause local people to be against the idea of blindly allowing 'refugees' without any security checks or care for the existing population.

Police will announce in a few days/weeks that the girls were drunk and imagined the whole thing.

J2488 05.01.2016 16:12

Re: Arab gang assaults in Germany
 
Erm...8 have been detained.


I think you need a follow up question:


"Will people assume all 1000 were refugees, despite there not being any evidence that the any of the suspects were in fact, refugees?"


You only need one response.


Interestingly, all 8 were known to police - suggesting they were not newly arrived refugees but people who had been here for a while - ie, unrelated to the current refugee crisis.


But, as sad as it is, the refugees will be the ones who pay for this.

Phil_MCR 05.01.2016 16:28

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Originally Posted by J2488 (Post 2511170)
Interestingly, all 8 were known to police - suggesting they were not newly arrived refugees but people who had been here for a while - ie, unrelated to the current refugee crisis.

so 992 were newly arrived refugees! :eek: someone call the daily mail!

Medea Fleecestealer 05.01.2016 16:38

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Perhaps you all need to read the last few posts here:

http://www.englishforum.ch/swiss-pol...ml#post2511187

Police have 8 suspects, all of whom are refugees with residence cards.

Treverus 05.01.2016 16:38

Re: Arab gang assaults in Germany
 
It is a great example of how different media outlets report on the same story.

Simply put:
- Violence by drunk people on large gatherings is nothing new. What is new is the quality and scale of this event. It simply sounds like it was planned. So let's see what the cops will find out. Currently are more and more witnesses coming forward and filing reports... let's see what the evidence can do before people jump to conclusions. Last December did the government introduce a massive phone record storage program to "fight terrorism". Now we can see how long it takes to find out whose mobile phone was on the square at the time of the assaults...
- within one post did the word "refugee" come up here. Most refugees are from Syria and Afghanistan, most newspaper mention witnesses talking about North Africans, many apparently speaking French. That leads to Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Libya. I know that for many newspapers an Arab is an Arab, but I hope the cops do a better job...
- Cologne is a large city (around twice the size of Zurich) with a for German standards rather high crime rate and well established organized crime scene. The biggest groups there are Turkish and indeed Arabian and have been so for decades. Blaming anything on refugees arriving last year without any concrete arrests is ridiculous. It's not like they are the only middle Eastern men around... and definitely not the most dangerous in Cologne.
- The whole thing happened in front of the main station. If you have never been to Cologne: That's the one place I'd expect new year parties to go out of hand in terms of alcohol and fireworks. I'd expect the police to be present with quite a force and they apparently have been. What I am most curious about is how the cops can have missed 90 cases of sexual assaults right in front of their noses. In one case apparently even including a plain clothes female police officer ON DUTY. Do they not have radios?!

Treverus 05.01.2016 16:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Medea Fleecestealer (Post 2511195)
Perhaps you all need to read the last few posts here:

http://www.englishforum.ch/swiss-pol...ml#post2511187

Police have 8 suspects, all of whom are refugees with residence cards.

No offense, but this is one newspaper who reported this based on an interview with ONE cop who was there. Said newspaper is the equivalent of the Daily Mail, so I believe it when it comes in the actual news.

lost_inbroad 05.01.2016 17:44

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Europe is such a shithole. :msnsick:

1000s of these a**holes go out and attack women and the police only arrest 8?!

Treverus 05.01.2016 17:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lost_inbroad (Post 2511235)
Europe is such a shithole. :msnsick:

1000s of these a**holes go out and attack women and the police only arrest 8?!

Well, that's just part of the truth:
- 140(!) cops were on the square where the attacks have happened.
- the morning after did the cologne police release a press statement "big party, mostly peaceful"! http://www.presseportal.de/blaulicht/pm/12415/3214905

I think most Germans are not just shocked about what happened (although the details aren't really that clear yet), but just how incompetent the police was. I personally am not the type of person who is asking for a police state and surveillance cameras in every corner as for example in London... but I'd like the cops to be... well, just competent I guess.

TobiasM 05.01.2016 17:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lost_inbroad (Post 2511235)
Europe is such a shithole. :msnsick:

1000s of these a**holes go out and attack women and the police only arrest 8?!

In America its the cops seem to shoot black people with impunity and get away with it most of the time :eek: Not sure whats better ineffective police in Europe or police that shoot first and ask questions later?

lost_inbroad 05.01.2016 17:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 2511238)
Well, that's just part of the truth:
- 140(!) cops were on the square where the attacks have happened.
- the morning after did the cologne police release a press statement "big party, mostly peaceful"! http://www.presseportal.de/blaulicht/pm/12415/3214905

I think most Germans are not just shocked about what happened (although the details aren't really that clear yet), but just how incompetent the police was. I personally am not the type of person who is asking for a police state and surveillance cameras in every corner as for example in London... but I'd like the cops to be... well, just competent I guess.

The unsettling part is, that such incidents could happen anywhere in Western Europe and the police will most likely be just as incompetent.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TobiasM (Post 2511239)
In America its the cops seem to shoot black people with impunity and get away with it most of the time :eek: Not sure whats better ineffective police in Europe or police that shoot first and ask questions later?

If you take anything for face value, then you're right.

For all I care, the police could have drained their magazines and killed each and everyone of the 1000 idiots. The culprits can misbehave all they want in their backwards, rat-infested countries but they have no right to be here, if they choose to engage in such antisocial behavior.

Brian1985 05.01.2016 19:21

Re: Arab gang assaults in Germany
 
Just be grateful you live in "culturally enriched" multi-kulti Europe.......this is definitely a late Christmas present for PEDIGA.

NotAllThere 05.01.2016 20:05

Re: Arab gang assaults in Germany
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by J2488 (Post 2511170)
...
"Will people assume all 1000 were refugees, despite there not being any evidence that the any of the suspects were in fact, refugees?"...

Or indeed that they were Arabs.

k_and_e 05.01.2016 20:17

Re: Arab gang assaults in Germany
 
The best solution would be if the women would all wear burqas. Then the men wouldn´t be attracted by it and everything would be peaceful.

Also, not allowing alcohol might help.:rolleyes:

Corbets 05.01.2016 20:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian1985 (Post 2511293)
Just be grateful you live in "culturally enriched" multi-kulti Europe.......this is definitely a late Christmas present for PEDIGA.

Or organized BY Pediga.

Treverus 05.01.2016 21:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian1985 (Post 2511293)
PEDIGA.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corbets (Post 2511366)
Or organized BY Pediga.

The guys are called Pegida and I seriously doubt they could be behind a thousand arabs at a new year party...

Corbets 06.01.2016 07:36

Re: Arab gang assaults in Germany
 
Just playing with my tinfoil hat, and I couldn't be bothered to look up the correct spelling for a bunch of racists. :rolleyes:

Guest 06.01.2016 09:04

Re: Arab gang assaults in Germany
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by J2488 (Post 2511170)

But, as sad as it is, the refugees will be the ones who pay for this.

Of course they're THE REAL victims here.

The point has been missed here. It doesn't matter if refugees or migrants were involved or not. This is just another in a long line of examples of how Conservative African/Arab/Muslim culture is completely incompatible with liberal Europe.

Importing 1.5 million people a year from these places into a few European countries will just lead to more problems.

marton 06.01.2016 10:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NotAllThere (Post 2511314)
Or indeed that they were Arabs.

Indeed, being both drunk and Muslim are somehow incompatible?

Guest 06.01.2016 10:23

Re: Arab gang assaults in Germany
 
And the reaction from the Mayor of Cologne? Women should have a "code of conduct" to prevent further assault. See the hashtag #einearmlaenge to see how well this has gone down. Are German politicians deliberately this out of touch?


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