If you mean V4, as MusicChick pointed out, it might be a viable plan who knows. I would like to know what the president of Estonia thinks of this subject, for example. Or any other EE leader because all we catch from the international media is what Germany or France (or indeed Russia), says and does and we're kinda fed up. I don't have to read the newspapers to know same old same old POVs, I'd like to find out about these things from other people who also do count, at least in my book. How viable is an EE project and isn't it exactly what Russia wants?lol Do people want to go back, don't know.

Lol...good one


Poland is going to refuse the 14billion€ the EU gives it, in return for their 4billion€ contribution.

With Brexit looming, with Germany under pressure to put more money into NATO, with lots of other things going on, and with senior German politicians even openly talking about cutting their support for Poland (even hinting at unsavoury Godwinesque metaphors involving the cavalry), I don't think its safe to assume those 14 billion are going to stay forever.

Germany’s young voters back ‘grandmother’ Merkel, Generation that has grown up with chancellor support liberal stance on refugees.

Young voters have some admiration for her flashes of liberal leadership — as with her insistence on an “open doors” policy for refugees to Germany two years ago.

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So pay

or just assume it's the garbage I think it is?

Poland is punished for being an "undisciplined" member. EU financial aids were part of the deal and it wasn't written anywhere that they should be granted as a reward, they were meant to help everybody in the end, including those who contribute more. I don't remember EU "punishing" other members for the same reasons except for those belonging to the EE front. People will get fed up with double standards, the usual hypocrisy and EU will lose terrain. Who will fill this void? - now that's the question..

I don't believe in Merkel anymore because she plans to overtake her rival and win the elections with Poroshenko's money.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/lucasbauer/...ErJ#.abOgMnBMd
Politics were always dirt but Merkel disappointed me here very much. Actually she sold herself to Poroshenko so he could continue doing his business in Germany.

I think a lot of the Polish economy is based on services such as IT and call centers. Cutting off ties to the EU could put all that at peril. I don't think Poland is ready to jump ship, but they are clearly signalling to the EU that if necessary it is an option. So they are making it clear to the EU that they are not a punchbag willing to accept anything. For now leaving is more a threat to leverage their negotiating position than a plan to be followed on.

But that's how it began in Britain too. The EU doesn't seem capable of learning from its own mistakes.

I'm also not convinmced that the V4 would leave the EU as a bloc. They all have slightly different situations. It could become a test and open new rifts.

Yes, their politicians do know to fight back a little. We, on the other hand, never had any lustration law and it really shows.. That's why we are...uhm, a little different. Not only for that of course, back home Poland has a very good image.
Anyway, I don't believe there is a real anti-EU or Euroscepticism in Poland for the moment, at least not amongst simple or common people. At the end of the day I don't think the general population would support a rejection of EU, it was hard to be behind that iron wall for so long and now to spoil all of these? No. Hard to imagine.

Not today. But if the EU follows up with tough sanctions and normal people suffer, that opinion could change quite quickly.

Poland has a long history of being stabbed in the back by supposed friends and allies. That sort of past conditions you to smell a rat before you can see it.

The only rat in this equation is the Jarosław Kaczyński.

All about Merkel - despite youtube title

It will change very quickly not only in Poland but in many other places. Just read a few articles on how EU workers (human) rights are abused in Italy and Spain, it is hair raising, I won't even get into details, really. Too shocking.
In an Europe that belongs to anyone but to all Europeans, the whole idea will collapse. They are not able to protect us, and I am not referring to refugees here, just to be clear. Anyways, when I hear things like Eastern Europeans get their lunch from Germany (see one of Treverus' posts that sort of shocked me), I just want to vomit, really. Tell that to agricultural workers, elderly care nurses who go to Italy and Spain to be humiliated, not payed, killed in some cases. This is Europe, a very cruel place for some, and very politically correct for others. Those people don't wait for German handouts, what an insulting thing to say, like so many things here, really. The most disturbing thing is that almost no-one challanges this institutional and de facto racism against parts of EU.
The hypocrisy reaches the highest levels when it comes to Eastern Europe.
Don't know if I can post such things here on EF, who already "knows" everything about so many countries and peoples...and about how EU works, really. Do some people still have the right to complain, don't think so. Their place seems to have been established prior to any accession treaties, really. Italy and Spain will continue to get subsidies for agriculture, and all sorts of EU funds while nobody blinks an eye re. e.g. Italian Mafia involvement with EU funds. God, this subject makes me really upset, I'll leave it at that.

I would also like to see Poland go.
Right now they ripping all the benefits of being in the EU, they cost too much money and on top of that they are complaining.
I would be happy to say farewell.
They would be an excellent buffer state between Germany and Russia, hating both and depending on the US.

In general I believe that the EU should become a bit smaller. England and Wales, Poland, Bulgaria, Romania and my native Greece do not add much value to the union, only trouble.

Yeah, we know your point of view. I suppose when Greece was receiving money and all that everything was great and dandy. When they have to do what other countries had to do - austerity and money from IMF not from EU....EU sucks.
Carry on.

I guess your real problem is that Poland refuses to accept refugees from your native Greece, isn't it. Funny, countries like UK, USA, France or Russia never get admonished for their refusal to take refugees, despite their major contribution to the ME mess, or despite the fact that their companies took immense advantages afterwards.
It's Poland and the likes we want to pay for all this hypocrisy and for Merkel's own politics.

Both your guesses are wrong. My previous comment was from my EU-citizen point of view. Meaning this is what I believe will be good for the EU. (Oh, and I forgot Hungary, it's also quite troublesome a member)

From my Greek-citizen point of view I would like Greece to leave the euro because it's not working for us, but remain in the EU.

Regarding refugees, I recognize Poland the right to decide not to host refugees. After all Merkel invited them, so now Merkel should deal with them. Still, countries that do not share the burden of accomodating any refugees should not complain when this translates to less funds. A part of EU funds has to go for the refugees costs so obviously it will go to the countries that host them.

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Moving in and out of Switzerland (because it's fun).
Currently away. Miss the Alps.

Do you realise that money is not everything when we talk about refugees? It's not only about temporarily housing them and feeding them.
Germany will try to redistribute those who are the least desired (least qualified, and not only) and the least able to integrate into a new culture. For them or others, countries like Bulgaria, Romania, Poland are just bugs to be crushed, insects. Dirt.
Don't be surprised if the refugees themselves view these countries in the same manner. (I have no doubts that most of them do, actually, the Western bile disease is very contagious)

It's just a currency, a means of facilitating trade... if you were using monopoly money it would be the same outcome without the economic policies behind it. All of the PIGS can blame the Euro for their downfall, but the reality is that all those governments had the means to handle the situation, but they choose not to do so for political reasons.

I doubt at this stage if even the Greeks themselves would be willing to accept payment in a new Greek drachma.