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Old 14.09.2017, 13:27
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Latest news on co-leader of the anti-immigration AfD Alice Weidel who paid a Syrian asylum-seeker under the table for house cleaning, the German newspaper Die Zeit claimed.
Similar story to our own SVP!

Alice Weidel is the liberal face of the AfD who lives in Biel Switzerland in a lesbian relationship.

This week there was also controversy over a racist email from her which she claims is a forgery.

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One question is "How can Weidel, who is raising children with another woman, represent a homophobic party? The AfD is, after all, the party that wanted to sue the government over same-sex marriage."

However in her case the AfD slogan "Take back your country!" makes sense when you remember she lives in Switzerland
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Press: You AfD, you are a bunch of racists
AfD, no we are not racists, we just believe immigration should be limited
Press: So you admit to being racist. Why then do you employ a Syrian cleaning lady
AfD: Didn't we just say we are not racists.
Press: Whatever, you are also homophobic. But you have a lesbian member
AfD: We are not homophobic.
Press: So you admit to being homophobic. So you are pretty hipocitical to have a lesbian member
AfD: Why do you twist everything we say?
Press: See, you always accuse the press of lying.
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Old 14.09.2017, 15:32
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Press: You AfD, you are a bunch of racists
AfD, no we are not racists, we just believe immigration should be limited
Press: So you admit to being racist. Why then do you employ a Syrian cleaning lady
AfD: Didn't we just say we are not racists.
Press: Whatever, you are also homophobic. But you have a lesbian member
AfD: We are not homophobic.
Press: So you admit to being homophobic. So you are pretty hipocitical to have a lesbian member
AfD: Why do you twist everything we say?
Press: See, you always accuse the press of lying.
AfD faced renewed scrutiny of its manifesto when a senior minister claimed its program flouts the Basic Law (German constitution).
Justice Minister Heiko Maas warned that the AfD's religious, family, criminal and European policies are in clear violation of Articles 1, 3, 4 and 23 of the charter.

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I suppose Maas has been reading Press lies
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Old 14.09.2017, 15:40
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AfD faced renewed scrutiny of its manifesto when a senior minister claimed its program flouts the Basic Law (German constitution).
Justice Minister Heiko Maas warned that the AfD's religious, family, criminal and European policies are in clear violation of Articles 1, 3, 4 and 23 of the charter.

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I suppose Maas has been reading Press lies
Maas is a chapter all unto himself.

Mentioning him is some lessor invocation of Godwin's Law.

The man who has blocked more facebook pages than Erdogan.

But now that you've brought him up, Maas doesn't need to believe the press.. It's sufficient that they believe him.

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Press: You AfD, you are a bunch of racists
AfD, no we are not racists, we just believe immigration should be limited
Press: So you admit to being racist. Why then do you employ a Syrian cleaning lady
AfD: Didn't we just say we are not racists.
Press: Whatever, you are also homophobic. But you have a lesbian member
AfD: We are not homophobic.
Press: So you admit to being homophobic. So you are pretty hypocritical to have a lesbian member
AfD: Why do you twist everything we say?
Press: See, you always accuse the press of lying.
"Why do you twist everything we say?"

Two-way street..?
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AfD faced renewed scrutiny of its manifesto when a senior minister claimed its program flouts the Basic Law (German constitution).
Justice Minister Heiko Maas warned that the AfD's religious, family, criminal and European policies are in clear violation of Articles 1, 3, 4 and 23 of the charter.

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I suppose Maas has been reading Press lies
Heiko Maas has brought in legislation to make it illegal discuss certain topics openly, all under the umbrella of "hate speech". The man is an enemy of democracy, and an enemy of freedom of speech. If ever a country needed a First Amendment, it's modern day Germany.
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Old 14.09.2017, 16:34
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Heiko Maas has brought in legislation to make it illegal discuss certain topics openly, all under the umbrella of "hate speech". The man is an enemy of democracy, and an enemy of freedom of speech. If ever a country needed a First Amendment, it's modern day Germany.
Maas is an extremely dangerous person. He openly talks about curtailing free speech, and encourages people to spy on their neighbours and report any "rightist" tendencies to the authorities. He also told teachers to observe their pupils with great care and to pick up any signs they might come from "rightist" households. He also says the only way to save democracy is to limit the choices people have. This is a man who believes in authoritarianism and who is averse to the very concept of criticism. For a country with a history like Germany's, I'm surprised more people aren't screaming for his resignation. So he's not really the person to give anybody lessons on the constitution.
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This should be concerning for Germans. But no one seems to care. They are an obedient lot.



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Maas is an extremely dangerous person. He openly talks about curtailing free speech, and encourages people to spy on their neighbours and report any "rightist" tendencies to the authorities. He also told teachers to observe their pupils with great care and to pick up any signs they might come from "rightist" households. He also says the only way to save democracy is to limit the choices people have. This is a man who believes in authoritarianism and who is averse to the very concept of criticism. For a country with a history like Germany's, I'm surprised more people aren't screaming for his resignation. So he's not really the person to give anybody lessons on the constitution.
Who? Scream for what? They were told they are going to save people and they are good and they have a historical chance to redeem their country. You can't beat that.
In the meantime they are allowed to crush any other bugs that happen to stay in their way.
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Maas is an extremely dangerous person. He openly talks about curtailing free speech, and encourages people to spy on their neighbours and report any "rightist" tendencies to the authorities. He also told teachers to observe their pupils with great care and to pick up any signs they might come from "rightist" households. He also says the only way to save democracy is to limit the choices people have. This is a man who believes in authoritarianism and who is averse to the very concept of criticism. For a country with a history like Germany's, I'm surprised more people aren't screaming for his resignation. So he's not really the person to give anybody lessons on the constitution.
"So he's not really the person to give anybody lessons on the constitution" He is the Justice Minister so, of course, he is the correct person to give lessons on the constitution
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Old 14.09.2017, 19:45
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"So he's not really the person to give anybody lessons on the constitution" He is the Justice Minister so, of course, he is the correct person to give lessons on the constitution
Must resist the urge to respond.

You shoot yourself in the foot better than I ever could.
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NZZ: Tabu subject in German election: cost of refugees
Executive summary: direct annual cost ca. 30-40B, total annual 50-55B. 2.5k pcm per adult, 5k per an unaccompanied younger person. Due to slow integration average total life time cost .ca. 450k.
This subject is allegedly completely avoided in public discourse.
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NZZ: Tabu subject in German election: cost of refugees
Executive summary: direct annual cost ca. 30-40B, total annual 50-55B. 2.5k pcm per adult, 5k per an unaccompanied younger person. Due to slow integration average total life time cost .ca. 450k.
This subject is allegedly completely avoided in public discourse.
Same bloody parties and same people who were screaming at the top of their lungs when EU has extended to the East - don't let the poor of Europe come to the holly uber alles Germany. Even though the statistics proved their fear mongering to be fake.

They were afraid that jobs will be taken (and they were, because the locals have other aspirations), social aid abused (in reality not more than other groups of immigrants) and ladhi ladha all that crap. I suppose 2 millions of socially assisted people is nothing now. They can work it out. Racism disappeared. It's all pink and dandy there.
This is the reason I will never buy into the German propaganda.

Anyhow, what is asked now from the Eastern European countries is to forget all those insults and how they were treated, keep their heads down and do what they are told - take more refugees and offer them conditions they can't offer to their own (ever growing) social segment of poor people.
Perhaps they should think of letting those budgetary restrictions crap aside and don't put so much pressure on the East, otherwise all the medical staff and professors will get out of these countries and who will be left to take care of these refugees anymore. Or will they bring in all the people they can and then suspend free movement agreement. I expect everything, I mean everything.

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Old 17.09.2017, 13:07
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Which party do you think Wolfgang Bot belongs to ??
Can you back up that there were similar arguments made about the Eastern bloc members ??
In Ireland it was neither the economists nor the folks on the right who were arguing against the Lisbon treaty ratification (embarrassingly it was rejected by the Irish people in 2008 so they were forced again to vote in 2009) but the folks on the left (Socialist Workers party , Sinn Fein etc).
In fact there were many delegations of folks from the East sent to Ireland to appeal to the Irish people that entry to the EU had resulted in such massive increases in living standards in Ireland that it would be unfair to deny the same to those in the East - a sentiment which I agree with.
Funnily enough you had the bizarre situation of extreme leftists pointing out that levels of corruption in Romania and Bulgaria were at such levels that they were not suitable for EU entry - and the carrot of entry should have been used more vigorously to force change BEFORE entry (which is and was a valid argument).

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For a country with a history like Germany's, I'm surprised more people aren't screaming for his resignation.
Funnily enough, Im not surprised at all. When it comes to testing extremes, the Germans are quite good at it. History repeating.
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I suspect next weeks headline will be "long live the queen".

Let's face it, Germany is like that. Not many times in my life I had the surprising news that they actually had a different chancellor.
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Latest news on co-leader of the anti-immigration AfD Alice Weidel who paid a Syrian asylum-seeker under the table for house cleaning, the German newspaper Die Zeit claimed.
Similar story to our own SVP!
Frankly, this looks very much like yet another smear campaign like that tax story in spring.

You don't need a written contract, payments in cash are perfectly fine and 25CHF per hour is Ok. Perhaps there should have been social tax paid, but since it isn't Weidel's apartment it's a tad difficult to see how she could be held responsible for that. Assuming the thresholds were surpassed in the first place.

What did come out of that tax story btw? Other than lukewarm air, that is.
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Which party do you think Wolfgang Bot belongs to ??
Can you back up that there were similar arguments made about the Eastern bloc members ??
In Ireland it was neither the economists nor the folks on the right who were arguing against the Lisbon treaty ratification (embarrassingly it was rejected by the Irish people in 2008 so they were forced again to vote in 2009) but the folks on the left (Socialist Workers party , Sinn Fein etc).
In fact there were many delegations of folks from the East sent to Ireland to appeal to the Irish people that entry to the EU had resulted in such massive increases in living standards in Ireland that it would be unfair to deny the same to those in the East - a sentiment which I agree with.
Funnily enough you had the bizarre situation of extreme leftists pointing out that levels of corruption in Romania and Bulgaria were at such levels that they were not suitable for EU entry - and the carrot of entry should have been used more vigorously to force change BEFORE entry (which is and was a valid argument).
I can't speak about Wolfgang Bot but I can speak of the level of corruption in Romania and Bulgaria. It's not worse than say in Hungary and Poland. They met the Schengen criteria for a long time and weren't allowed to get in the club for other reasons than that, as Turkey for instance will never be recieved in the EU even if it meets accession criteria. We all know it.
Anyways, the corruption was good when all the Western companies came and pretty much destroyed any local competition, when the privatisations were made etc etc. it's still good when multinationals get deals to basically not pay taxes there etc etc, so I don't know why we even argue about corruption. It's good at highest level and bad at the bottom or what? If you give that white envelope to a doctor, like they also do in Greece for instance, it's bad right? 'cause they're all well payed, fair and square.
I don't have enough time to develop the subject but I'm afraid the Western media never covered in an honest way.
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NZZ: Tabu subject in German election: cost of refugees
Executive summary: direct annual cost ca. 30-40B, total annual 50-55B. 2.5k pcm per adult, 5k per an unaccompanied younger person. Due to slow integration average total life time cost .ca. 450k.
This subject is allegedly completely avoided in public discourse.
They are actually quite proud of all the jobs that are being created to take care of the new arrivals. People who build temporary housing, security guards, lawyers to handle their cases etc. All this is good for GDP, even if it has little actual value.

Nobody is pointing out that much of this is akin to paying people to dig holes and then fill them back in.

Which actually is how the Nazis acheived full employment. But i digress.
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I can't speak about Wolfgang Bot but I can speak of the level of corruption in Romania and Bulgaria. It's not worse than say in Hungary and Poland.
The perception of it is different:
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I wonder if there's a small chance that we may see a surprise at the weekend à la the UK election earlier this year. Voter apathy combined with a terrible campaign by the incumbent party and the expected foregone conclusion led to shock results on the night. Not too dissimilar to the environment in Germany at the moment plus if you add all those undecided voters in to the mix...

But then again, this is Germany after all, so probably not.
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