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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

German election: Schäuble loses job in Merkel coalition bid.
A CDU member of the Bundestag since 1972, he has now been asked to become president of the Bundestag next month.
Commentators have suggested Mr Schäuble could use his political experience to control heated debates in parliament involving the right-wing nationalist AfD, elected to the Bundestag for the first time.

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Nah, he is being rolled over
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Publishing graphs with no legend on the vertical axis is one of the oldest marketing tricks in the book.

Using a bundled question like "Flüchtlinge, Einwanderung und Asylpolitik" is also an old trick. Then you are not informed whether refugees represent 43 of the 44 potatoes or just one?
This result might simply mean that like in the UK a lot of people (rightly or wrongly) believe East Europeans are coming in and working for lower wages and so the answer is little to do with refugees.

Without knowing the source of the numbers and how any questions were phrased (neutral or biased) then this is of little value
There are a couple of books in the series "Statistics for Dummies" that touch on how phrasing survey questions influences the replies in a required direction or you can read a Wikipedia article here.
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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

Interesting piece about the tactics used by the right in the German election.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ion-afd-trolls
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But remember that Merkel is also the leader who made a U-turn on nuclear power over Fukushima. And also remember that she is a nuclear physicist herself, so she was fully aware of the statistical risks. So rationally she could have said, I knew that this could happen, the probability was small, it did happen, it could happen again, but the probability remains small, so there is no rational basis to change policy. Instead she looked out of the window and saw the mob and decided to please them. In other words, she's not going to stand up for what she believes but will rather do what the mob wants.
Can't wait for your next post where you criticize politicians or the government who don't listen to their voters.
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Can't wait for your next post where you criticize politicians or the government who don't listen to their voters.
Don't you think there is a difference between listening to voters and letting the mob have it all their way?
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Don't you think there is a difference between listening to voters and letting the mob have it all their way?
That's not a mob. These were voters using their political rights.
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Old 01.10.2017, 15:47
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The policy they propose sounds reasonable to me, and I'm fairly conservative.

PS- He did say they are in favor of setting limits on refugees.


http://www.dw.com/en/christian-lindn...icy/a-40211755
For those of you concerned about the number of refugees in Germany there is some positive action by Germany! So far there were 1,875 deportation requests in the first eight months of this year to return refugees to Switzerland under the Dublin agreement.

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I hope they're directly deported to Italy, where they belong according to Dublin.
And then maybe Italy is getting the message that offering free ferry services for anyone isn't the way to go.

Switzerland has to urgently stop being the nice guy.
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Until you don't improve the situation in African states migration will not cease. The richer world is hiding its head in the sand pretending that problems are going to solve themselves...
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Until you don't improve the situation in African states migration will not cease. The richer world is hiding its head in the sand pretending that problems are going to solve themselves...
While I agree with you that improving the situation in African states is important, it's not like the EU couldn't stop the illegal immigration if they really wanted to.

Basically, Africa needs to fix it's own mess. They clearly don't want colonialism 2.0.

While Europe certainly did really bad things on Africa in the (especially) 19th century during colonialism, it's not like that happened just yesterday. Europe can't be blamed for African problems any longer.

Sure, dumb European stuff like "development aid", which in fact is more the contrary, better should stop yesterday rather than today, but it's not like development aid per Se is bad. It's bad if it's abused and misused by local authorities. And those happen to be, well, African. It's not like Africa isn't full of corrupt, local "rulers" who'll happily stuff whatever they can in their own pockets.
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Sure, dumb European stuff like "development aid", which in fact is more the contrary, better should stop yesterday rather than today, but it's not like development aid per Se is bad. It's bad if it's abused and misused by local authorities. And those happen to be, well, African. It's not like Africa isn't full of corrupt, local "rulers" who'll happily stuff whatever they can in their own pockets.
Hehe, it's not like other leaders wouldn't stuff their pockets if they could get away with murder, isn't it. Just look at some French presidential candidates who hired relatives for fake jobs etc. to give a tiny example.
Anyway, I meant real investments, fair trade, aid for education and health care, things like that. Not bribery for corrupt leader to let us do whatever we feel like in those countries. But yeah, I suppose you are right too, that's why things are quite complex and are not very likely to stop anytime soon.
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Nah, he is being rolled over
He's been a liability for some time.

Any exuse is good enough to push him out.
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True, if she partners with the SPD again then they will certainly have over half the seats so I do not know what you mean by "significantly weakened "? So far as I know a simple majority is all that is needed to pass legislation.

Will be interesting to see how the AfD manage their time in Parliament. Often Conservative right wing parties split into different factions; look at the US Republicans as a prime example!
Did not expect the AfD to start falling apart so soon

Prosecutors in Dresden on Wednesday filed perjury charges against Frauke Petry, the former leader of the far-right Alternative for Germany.

On Tuesday, another new AfD member of parliament, Mario Mieruch, told Bild that he was leaving the party. Mieruch said his reason for quitting was the party’s further shift to the right.

Mieruch also said he wanted to work with Petry who also left the AfD, she plans to form her own party in the Bundestag.

Rumours of other AfD MPs planning to leave, time will tell....
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So, they announced their solution: There will be a max. of 200'000 refugees accepted in Germany (not counting the accepted refugees) which as such is already a weird wording.

BUT:
They emphasize that this solution will not be called "Obergrenze", anything but, yet not decided on what it will be called.
And quote Horst Seehofer:
"Wichtig wie in Absatz 2 ist, dass wir die Zahl der flüchtenden Menschen nachhaltig und auf Dauer reduzieren wollen"

Whom are they trying to fool? They will not reduce the amount of people having to flee. They will reduce the people who will be able to flee into Germany.
Gosh, I'm so angry! Not about them restricting the amount of refugees going to Germany - that is up to them - but about the hypocrisy of thinking that by not officially - and repeatedly mentioning that - using a fitting word like "Obergrenze" and by mis-phrasing article 2, pretending it will change the world situation of people having to flee. If they don't come to Germany, they don't exist?!

It will take me at least two weeks until I can stomach watching German news again


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Did not expect the AfD to start falling apart so soon

Prosecutors in Dresden on Wednesday filed perjury charges against Frauke Petry, the former leader of the far-right Alternative for Germany.

On Tuesday, another new AfD member of parliament, Mario Mieruch, told Bild that he was leaving the party. Mieruch said his reason for quitting was the party’s further shift to the right.

Mieruch also said he wanted to work with Petry who also left the AfD, she plans to form her own party in the Bundestag.
Does this really surprise you?

Mieruch has been saying all along that wherever Petri goes he will follow.
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So, they announced their solution: There will be a max. of 200'000 refugees accepted in Germany (not counting the accepted refugees) which as such is already a weird wording.

BUT:
They emphasize that this solution will not be called "Obergrenze", anything but, yet not decided on what it will be called.
And quote Horst Seehofer:
"Wichtig wie in Absatz 2 ist, dass wir die Zahl der flüchtenden Menschen nachhaltig und auf Dauer reduzieren wollen"

Whom are they trying to fool? They will not reduce the amount of people having to flee. They will reduce the people who will be able to flee into Germany.
Gosh, I'm so angry! Not about them restricting the amount of refugees going to Germany - that is up to them - but about the hypocrisy of thinking that by not officially - and repeatedly mentioning that - using a fitting word like "Obergrenze" and by mis-phrasing article 2, pretending it will change the world situation of people having to flee. If they don't come to Germany, they don't exist?!

It will take me at least two weeks until I can stomach watching German news again


And once more: This is not about their decision, so don't jump down my throat. It's about not standing behind it.
Very likely the coalition will break down over irreconcileable viewpoints such as this. Can you imagine the Greens signing up to this? Or even if they do, living with it for very long? How likely that there will be new elections within six months?

AfD have been gaining ground since the last election. CSU are liekly to suffer heavy losses in the upcoming Bavarian state election.
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So, they announced their solution: There will be a max. of 200'000 refugees accepted in Germany (not counting the accepted refugees) which as such is already a weird wording.

BUT:
They emphasize that this solution will not be called "Obergrenze", anything but, yet not decided on what it will be called.
And quote Horst Seehofer:
"Wichtig wie in Absatz 2 ist, dass wir die Zahl der flüchtenden Menschen nachhaltig und auf Dauer reduzieren wollen"

Whom are they trying to fool? They will not reduce the amount of people having to flee. They will reduce the people who will be able to flee into Germany.
Gosh, I'm so angry! Not about them restricting the amount of refugees going to Germany - that is up to them - but about the hypocrisy of thinking that by not officially - and repeatedly mentioning that - using a fitting word like "Obergrenze" and by mis-phrasing article 2, pretending it will change the world situation of people having to flee. If they don't come to Germany, they don't exist?!

It will take me at least two weeks until I can stomach watching German news again


And once more: This is not about their decision, so don't jump down my throat. It's about not standing behind it.
This is all very odd, marton told us that migration wasn't even a key issue in this election
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This is all very odd, marton told us that migration wasn't even a key issue in this election
I thought the election was over

Maybe you are having a Trump moment?
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