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Old 08.06.2018, 00:36
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Police hunt Iraqi asylum seeker over rape-murder of teenage girl

Police have detained a 35-year-old asylum seeker with Turkish citizenship on the suspicion that he was involved in the brutal crime. The other suspect, a 20-year-old from Iraqi, is believed to have fled back to his home country with his entire family. According, to Die Welt, the family used two different sets of identity papers to return home via Istanbul airport.

Danke Merkel.
The 35-year-old asylum seeker with Turkish citizenship has now been released and is no longer a suspect.

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Old 11.06.2018, 11:59
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The 35-year-old asylum seeker with Turkish citizenship has now been released and is no longer a suspect.

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Well, it turns out the suspect they have now is an Iraqi Kurd and failed asylum seeker with fake identity who has admitted to the murder.

So good thing it wasn't a migrant.

Also interesting that the German media have been largely silent about the victim being Jewish.
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Interesting.
But then, German media rarely reports on the nationality of a suspect.
So, it's par for the course ;-)
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Old 11.06.2018, 12:14
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Turns out he admits to the murder but is denying the rape.

Says she cut her face in an accident and he had to kill her to prevent her calling the police.

Sounds like he'll still have to work on that story.
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Old 11.06.2018, 12:22
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Well, it turns out the suspect they have now is an Iraqi Kurd and failed asylum seeker with fake identity who has admitted to the murder.

So good thing it wasn't a migrant.

Also interesting that the German media have been largely silent about the victim being Jewish.
AfD co-leader posted the following to Twitter :

"Susanna is dead. Maria from Freiburg; Mia from Kandel; Mireille from Flensburg; and now Susanna from Mainz....

"Susanna's death is not a blind stroke of fate. Susanna's death is the result of many years of organized irresponsibility and the scandalous failure of our asylum and immigration policies. Susanna is victim of an out-of-control leftwing multicultural ideology that stops at nothing to impose its sense of moral superiority. Susanna is also another victim of Chancellor Angela Merkel's hypocritical and selfish welcome policy.

"Legally, Ali Bashar should never have been allowed into Germany. His asylum request was rejected more than two years ago, and he should have been deported. Bashar was known to police for physical assault, attacking police officers, and possessing illegal weapons. In March 2018, he was suspected of raping an 11-year-old girl at a refugee shelter. According to the law, Bashar should have had to leave Germany a long time ago or be arrested.

"An absurd asylum law and a grotesque asylum policy...it is lenient toward asylum cheaters and criminals but ignores the genuine concerns of German citizens.

"Ali Bashar, his parents and five siblings lived here on the taxpayer's dime, they could not be deported, but after his Ali's crime, they somehow found the money to flee Germany on falsified documents. No problem in a Germany with open borders.

"On the day of Susanna's murder, you [Merkel] testified in parliament that you have handled the migrant crisis responsibly. Do you dare to repeat that claim to Susanna's parents? Well, no. Your hard-heartedness and self-righteousness means you feel you are above offering the victims of your policies a personal word. This is unacceptable to us citizens. Will you finally accept responsibility, Mrs. Merkel? You and your entire cabinet should resign to make possible another asylum policy so that the parents in this country no longer need to fear for the safety of their children.""

No wonder they are surging ahead in the polls
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Old 11.06.2018, 13:54
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The above is proof that there is nothing wrong with allowing people to seek asylum in Germany, the problem is that we haven't deported the ones whose applications were rejected.
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Old 11.06.2018, 14:02
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No wonder they are surging ahead in the polls
The next big test in Germany will be the Bavarian state election.

AfD looks set to take 13.5 percent of votes, enough to become second strongest party and to rob the CSU of their majority.

And this despite an election campaign in which the CSU has totally focussed on AfD as the main enemy and has been trying to undermine them by capturing right-wing talking points.

Actual distribution of seats is more difficut to predict because, AFAIK, Bavaria distributes half ist seats by PR and the other half FPTP, so on the whole smaller parties tend to be under-represented. AfD is unlkely to take many, if indeed any, FPTP seats.

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Old 11.06.2018, 16:00
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Turns out he admits to the murder but is denying the rape.

Says she cut her face in an accident and he had to kill her to prevent her calling the police.

Sounds like he'll still have to work on that story.
The police say they have DNA evidence so the truth will soon be known.
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AfD co-leader posted the following to Twitter :

"Susanna is dead. Maria from Freiburg; Mia from Kandel; Mireille from Flensburg; and now Susanna from Mainz....
Does he generally post about every murder/attack by a German or is this him being selective?
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Old 11.06.2018, 17:19
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Does he generally post about every murder/attack by a German or is this him being selective?
Make that a she.

You mean, pretending a very ugly chain of rapes and murders, not to mention the ones not making the news, are a perfectly normal part of civilised society and should not be addressed or discussed.

The other parties are already taking that position, so don't worry. About 87 percent of elected MPs will share and defend your view.
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Old 11.06.2018, 19:27
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Make that a she.

You mean, pretending a very ugly chain of rapes and murders, not to mention the ones not making the news, are a perfectly normal part of civilised society and should not be addressed or discussed.

The other parties are already taking that position, so don't worry. About 87 percent of elected MPs will share and defend your view.
You want me to believe that there are more cases of rapes and murders by refugees or immigrants but somehow we don't get to hear about them?
Haven't those people discovered Breitbart?
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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

Interesting article:

Refugees still welcome? How one girl's murder is dividing Germany

"These are no longer isolated incidents", warns Susanne Schröter, an ethnologist and head of the Research Centre of Global Islam at the Goethe University in Frankfurt. She speaks of a culture clash and says that Germany needs to develop a new approach for dealing with aggressive men shaped by patriarchal cultures.

Oh.
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Old 13.06.2018, 12:53
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You want me to believe that there are more cases of rapes and murders by refugees or immigrants but somehow we don't get to hear about them?
Haven't those people discovered Breitbart?
According to Left-wing DeutscheWelle: yes
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Statistics compiled by Germany's Federal Criminal Police Agency suggest that refugees are disproportionately prone to commit crimes like murder and rape. But experts say that other circumstances, including the fact that so many of the refugees are young men as well as their precarious social status, need to be considered to understand the data properly.
http://www.dw.com/en/suspect-in-deat...rts/a-44125497

According to another DW article, they repeat the statistical evidence, citing several reasons such as: 1) most refugees are young men, which is a group more likely to be violent, 2) rejected asylum seekers feel they don't have anything to lose so again more prone to commit crimes, etc...
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Old 13.06.2018, 15:21
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You want me to believe that there are more cases of rapes and murders by refugees or immigrants but somehow we don't get to hear about them?
Haven't those people discovered Breitbart?
Obviously the missing stories are proof that the MSM are censored, everybody knows that.
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Old 13.06.2018, 18:14
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Obviously the missing stories are proof that the MSM are censored, everybody knows that.
Obviously, anything that doesn't get reported in the MSM never happened?

Breitbart makes stuff up, links to local news outlets as sources, and the local news sources then copy the faked stories from Breitbart. Or something like that? It's all a big conspiracy to make the MSM look bad.
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Obviously, anything that doesn't get reported in the MSM never happened?
Looks like your sarcasm detector is broken - or is it me now not detecting yours?
(I thought the circle argument would make mine clear enough)

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Old 14.06.2018, 10:41
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Interesting article:

Refugees still welcome? How one girl's murder is dividing Germany

"These are no longer isolated incidents", warns Susanne Schröter, an ethnologist and head of the Research Centre of Global Islam at the Goethe University in Frankfurt. She speaks of a culture clash and says that Germany needs to develop a new approach for dealing with aggressive men shaped by patriarchal cultures.

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According to Left-wing DeutscheWelle: yes

http://www.dw.com/en/suspect-in-deat...rts/a-44125497

According to another DW article, they repeat the statistical evidence, citing several reasons such as: 1) most refugees are young men, which is a group more likely to be violent, 2) rejected asylum seekers feel they don't have anything to lose so again more prone to commit crimes, etc...
From esto's first link few people turned up for the demonstrations so it seems there is no anti refugee wave as some extreme media are wont to claim
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Old 14.06.2018, 10:55
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From esto's first link few people turned up for the demonstrations so it seems there is no anti refugee wave as some extreme media are wont to claim
Well. It's The Local. Apparently not much better in Geramny than they are in Switzerland.

Interesting that they mention the minutes silence the AfD initiated, but don't mention that Claudia Roth of the SPD interrupted that after only a few seconds, and quite a few MPs of her party started clapping after that.

That's the sort of footage that is prime recruitment material for the AfD.

Interesting also that the same Claudia Roth initiated a minutes silence for the refugees some time ago, and nobody interrupted that. Not even from AfD.

But yeah, visible criticism of Merkel's refugee policy is still comparatively low in Germany. But it is gaining ground. I have the impression not many people will speak their mind ouitright but a lot of people are making veiled references to what's going on. Much more than say two years ago.
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From esto's first link few people turned up for the demonstrations so it seems there is no anti refugee wave as some extreme media are wont to claim
True, I haven't seen many right-wing protests or riots. Seems to be mainly the left-wing radicals doing that kind of stuff. All the action with the right seems to be going on in the ballot boxes (See: Italy, Austria, Germany, etc..)
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True, I haven't seen many right-wing protests or riots. Seems to be mainly the left-wing radicals doing that kind of stuff. All the action with the right seems to be going on in the ballot boxes (See: Italy, Austria, Germany, etc..)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...sh-with-police
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