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Old 04.07.2018, 11:03
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I wonder if there's any European politician more hated than Frau Merkel. I personally think she was incredibly naive, but apart from the refugee issue, does she really deserve this spite..
The Americans love her, came fifth in the most admired woman survey here.

Angela Merkel clings to top spot in Forbes 100 most powerful women list here

While back home in Germany last month she is still the most popular German politician here
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Old 04.07.2018, 11:18
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The Americans love her, came fifth in the most admired woman survey here.
in a top 12 where you can also find Beyonce, Hillary Clinton and Oprah
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Old 04.07.2018, 11:41
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in a top 12 where you can also find Beyonce, Hillary Clinton and Oprah
What is your problem?
This is the country that voted Trump to be President!
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Old 04.07.2018, 18:27
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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

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SPD members stressed that the transit zones were a fudge, not least because on average, only five asylum seekers a day were currently attempting to enter Germany via the south.
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Still no details of what was actually agreed in the compromise agreement the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) struck with its smaller partner, the Christian Social Union (CSU),!
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Old 04.07.2018, 21:17
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The Americans love her, came fifth in the most admired woman survey here.
Ouch....don't be sure they really know or understand what they have seen or read about the lady.....trust me, I know educated persons from those parts whose ignorance is disturbing. If it's not about America, they have close to 0 knowledge about other cultures, and are willing to believe every "documentary", every rumour, every article. Plus their geographic impairment is proverbial.*
So sorry, not a reliable source. With all the sympathy because that is not to say I don't like Americans in general, on the contrary.

*but of course, the phenomenon is not characteristic only to Americans, it became a common place because education is degrading in many places.
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Funny thing about this Merkel/Seehofer deal, and the wider EU migrant deal, is that they're basically doing what I and many others on here called for three years ago i.e. off-shore detention centers and closing borders. Only we were called Nazis for suggesting such a solution.
Where are they now?
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Old 06.07.2018, 17:03
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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

It's amazing to think that just three years ago, Orban was alone against the whole EU, and most people probably thought he was trying his luck but not going anywhere.

And now he's practically got Merkel to swing over onto his course. No more talk of enforced distribution. No more talk of punitive measures. He's got quite a few governments on his side. And he's got the left in total meltdown, spreading ever bigger scare stories and more obvious lies.

Really not bad for the leader of a small country.
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Old 06.07.2018, 17:12
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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

Not just that though - he has turned around a very bad Hungarian economy , provided people with a lot of hope especially as they have witnessed enormous social problems develop in Western Europe not to mention terrorism and crime.
If he had driven the economy into the turf ala the left in Greece then the media would be tearing him apart.
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Old 09.07.2018, 22:02
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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

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Old 09.07.2018, 22:43
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AfD ahead of Social Democrats in latest poll

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The only shocking thing about it was that it took 3 years. And unless the open door policy is reversed and migration/asylum rules changed, expect AfD and right wing parties in EU to keep gaining. Democracy at work.
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Old 09.07.2018, 23:25
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The only shocking thing about it was that it took 3 years. And unless the open door policy is reversed and migration/asylum rules changed, expect AfD and right wing parties in EU to keep gaining. Democracy at work.
In the past, right wing movements could easily be decimated by the mainstream parties swinging to the right and borrowing some of their ideas.

This is what Seehofer has tried to do, and it has cost him a double shipwreck. The first shipwreck being that he failed to destroy the AfD, and the second that the other German parties have, rather than accepting the necessity of his actions, turned their guns on him and are hammering him instead of the AfD.

And to add insult to injury, AfD are now rubbing salt into his wounds.

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Old 10.07.2018, 08:16
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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

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Personally I don't worry.
I believe that as soon as Merkel steps down most centrist Germans will move to the SPD.
Merkel brought the CDU to the center leaving space for AfD at her right.
The next CDU leader will go back to the party's roots.
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Old 10.07.2018, 10:08
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Personally I don't worry.
I believe that as soon as Merkel steps down most centrist Germans will move to the SPD.
Merkel brought the CDU to the center leaving space for AfD at her right.
The next CDU leader will go back to the party's roots.
Seehofer has tried to do that and ended up with a lot of egg on his face.

Many AfD voters are not actually former CDU voters but AfD has also recruited heavily from the rank and file of the SPD. But the SPD is pretending this isn't so and making out it's the CDU's problem.

And whereas the CDU is still capable of swing to the right, the SPD isn't. I don't think they've even started thinking about that obne yet.

Right now in Switzerland, the SP has said it wasnt to start taking more patriotic poistions and using patriotic symbolism interpreted through a left wing perspective to hit back at the SVP. This has caused a lot of unrest within the SP and probably won't be followed up on.
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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

SPD is as good as dead.
Once the remaining members have died-off, they can rent-out their buildings for other stuff.
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Old 10.07.2018, 11:01
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SPD is as good as dead.
Once the remaining members have died-off, they can rent-out their buildings for other stuff.
Whey rent their buildings? Just open them up to asylum-seekers..

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Old 10.07.2018, 11:27
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I think the issue is not about Merkel, but more the bad refugee/asylum policy. People want to see some real and feasible policy. AfD is the only group speaking to this issue. The SPD is in favor of open doors, I don't think they will gain many centrist Germans. And if CDU/CSU can't offer some concessions to placate those unhappy with the current refugee mess, then AfD is the only ticket in town.
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I disagree - it's not only the refugee issue - although if I look at the recent riots in Nantes as well as the beheading of the mother and child in Germany by migrants I think mass deportations will have to be part of the solution.

I think that Merkel has presided over the greatest loosening of EU rules in regard to budgetary discipline in the EU's history - she refused to countenance the removal of Greece. This will ultimately - along with the refugee fiasco result in the revival of nationalistic fervour as opposed to European fervour.
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Old 10.07.2018, 11:50
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I think that Merkel has presided over the greatest loosening of EU rules in regard to budgetary discipline in the EU's history - she refused to countenance the removal of Greece. This will ultimately - along with the refugee fiasco result in the revival of nationalistic fervour as opposed to European fervour.
It's not the first time that Germany has made a U turn and reversed the rules they themselves created. Helmut Kohl did it many times, and still went from success to success. Politics always requires some pragmatism. I think people like Schäuble will not be remembered kindly in history because sticking to the rules at all costs, and refusing to see the wood for the trees, is not always the best policy.

But I think there is a line between being pragmatic and being shifty. Helmut Kohl was often ridiculed in Germany for his rustic style and accent, his small-town Palatian bonnhomerie, lacking the manners or sophistication of the citiy intelligensia. But despite the ridicule, that is preceisely what his supporters appreciated about him. It enabled him to put his dialogue partners at ease and to broker common sense deals in an atmosphere of goodwill and trust. Merkel would do well to come down off her high horse a little more often and to listen to people rather than lecture them.
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I disagree - it's not only the refugee issue - although if I look at the recent riots in Nantes as well as the beheading of the mother and child in Germany by migrants I think mass deportations will have to be part of the solution.
Deportations won't be easy. They paid thousands of EUROs, trekked hundreds of km's and made it here, they are not going to be going back so agreeably. Most who made it will stay. Anyway, first thing is to stem the flow, and that has not yet even been done in a clear and comprehensive way. The ones who are here can be given plane tickets and money to go back, or else make integration and work mandatory. Denmark is on the right path.
(Who got beheaded in Germany?)
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(Who got beheaded in Germany?)
A mother was stabbed in the chest and the child stabbed in the neck back in April.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/...y-station.html
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A mother was stabbed in the chest and the child stabbed in the neck back in April.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/...y-station.html
So nobody was beheaded?
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