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I disagree - it's not only the refugee issue - although if I look at the recent riots in Nantes as well as the beheading of the mother and child in Germany by migrants I think mass deportations will have to be part of the solution.

I think that Merkel has presided over the greatest loosening of EU rules in regard to budgetary discipline in the EU's history - she refused to countenance the removal of Greece. This will ultimately - along with the refugee fiasco result in the revival of nationalistic fervour as opposed to European fervour.
Mass deportations? A few million people when we include France!
Do you have any practical ideas?

No doubt you believe that third world countries would welcome an influx of hardened foreign rioters.
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Old 10.07.2018, 13:27
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So nobody was beheaded?
Wrong

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Mourtala Madou, a 33-year-old illegal immigrant from Niger, stabbed his German ex-girlfriend, identified as Sandra P, and beheaded their one-year-old daughter, Miriam, at a Hamburg subway station.
In October 2017, a judge had revoked a restraining order that Sandra P had obtained against Madou two months earlier, on the grounds that he saw “no evidence” that she was being threatened. Madou’s threats then increased and he explicitly announced: “I’m going to kill our daughter, and then I kill you!”
A gospel singer at an evangelical church in Hamburg who happened to arrive at the underground station moments after the attack, filmed the scene on his phone. In the video the gospel singer Daniel J says, in English: “Oh my God. It’s unbelievable. Oh Jesus, oh Jesus, oh Jesus. They cut off the head of the baby. Oh my God. Oh Jesus.”
If you search hard enough you can find the video... no surprise the BBC did not carry it and as the story points out the German media did everything they could to prevent the story leaking.
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Old 10.07.2018, 13:30
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Mass deportations? A few million people when we include France!
Do you have any practical ideas?

No doubt you believe that third world countries would welcome an influx of hardened foreign rioters.
Ideas which you have championed have led to the hundreds of murders including those at the Bataclan & Nice , not to mention the thousands of rapes and sexual assaults at Rochdale and other towns in the UK.

Ideas which I have championed have led to Poland and other Visegard states not experiencing any of these problems.

You are most welcome to your ideas so long as you alone pay for their consequences.
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Old 10.07.2018, 13:34
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Mass deportations? A few million people when we include France!
Do you have any practical ideas?

No doubt you believe that third world countries would welcome an influx of hardened foreign rioters.

Some countries think that they can show their humanity and solidarity by welcoming those the other countries don't want.

Other countries realise that's a bad idea and shut their borders.

More and more countrioes of the former category are changing into countries of the latter country.

So take that to its logical conclusion and the last country to continue championing open borders gets all the hardened rioters to keep. And good riddance to them.

So the real question that leaders must face is, do they want to be that country?

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Ideas which you have championed have led to the hundreds of murders including those at the Bataclan & Nice , not to mention the thousands of rapes and sexual assaults at Rochdale and other towns in the UK.

Ideas which I have championed have led to Poland and other Visegard states not experiencing any of these problems.

You are most welcome to your ideas so long as you alone pay for their consequences.
Rochdale?
What has that to do with Merkel?
You are clutching at straws.

The Pakistan Act of 1973 created a temporary window for Pakistani nationals to register as Citizens of the United Kingdom and Colonies thus there are many British Pakistanis.

I assure you I was not responsible for the Pakistan Act of 1973 nor was it an
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So nobody was beheaded?
As far as the less hysterical media reported - the mother was stabbed in the chest and the baby stabbed in the neck. Both died.

Horrific as it is, I can't help feeling that the right wing hysterical flowers "jazzed it up" a bit by bullshitting that both were "beheaded".

There was also some whinging articles that it was hushed up although it was all over the European press at the time.

The video doesn't really show anything apart from the aftermath.
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Old 10.07.2018, 14:13
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As far as the less hysterical media reported - the mother was stabbed in the chest and the baby stabbed in the neck. Both died.

Horrific as it is, I can't help feeling that the right wing hysterical flowers "jazzed it up" a bit by bullshitting that both were "beheaded".

There was also some whinging articles that it was hushed up although it was all over the European press at the time.

The video doesn't really show anything apart from the aftermath.
Your feelings have nothing to do with it. Please post a single source backing up your claim of a double-beheading.

The claims about a hush up were well founded:

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A few days later, a team of state prosecutors and officers of the cybercrime unit of the Hamburg police arrived at Kordewiner’s apartment with a search warrant, and confiscated his computer, mobile phone and other electronics, allegedly to find “evidence” of the “crime”. He was — and still is — accused of: uploading the video,” reports the Gatestone Institute.
Kordewiner and his flatmate told Gatestone about the raid, which took place at 6.45 a.m. They recounted that when they first refused to open the door, police forced it open — and even searched the flatmate’s room, although it was apparently not covered by the search warrant.
“The police officer said that he could also search for SD (secure digital) cards,” the flatmate told Gatestone. “While he fumbled through the books on my shelf, he suggested that he could turn my whole apartment upside down. He told me to relax.”
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Your feelings have nothing to do with it. Please post a single source backing up your claim of a double-beheading.
Stabbing.

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The claims about a hush up were well founded:
Nope - hoax has been debunked.

OK, so they're "well founded" if you don't fact-check. I'll give you that...
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Old 10.07.2018, 14:28
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Your feelings have nothing to do with it. Please post a single source backing up your claim of a double-beheading.

The claims about a hush up were well founded:
So you post a link to this video of the "beheading" or give up on your preposterous claim.
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Old 10.07.2018, 14:52
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Stabbing.



Nope - hoax has been debunked.

OK, so they're "well founded" if you don't fact-check. I'll give you that...
er, no. Have you ctually read the story you linked to? And the SZ story it uses as a source?

Some selective reading happened there, or else something got lost in translation.
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Nothing in that link indicates a double beheading.

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Nope - hoax has been debunked.

OK, so they're "well founded" if you don't fact-check. I'll give you that...
What hoax ?? The man who uploaded the video had his house raided :

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The libertarian website Achse des Guten (Axis of the Good) was the first media outlet to report the raid. Two days later, the daily Hamburger Abendblatt wrote:
"Hamburg's state prosecutor rabidly prosecutes a blogger who has published pictures of the tragedy at Jungfernstieg... The raid was based on paragraph 201a, a law that the council of the press and journalist associations view as being problematic with regard to free reporting."
The Abendblatt criticized the "nebulous phrasing" of the law and the "even more nebulous interpretation by the state prosecutor," stating, "The law stipulates that no pictures of helpless persons may be taken. However, the cell phone footage does not show such persons."



According to the Abendblatt, sources "from within the security apparatus" had been "surprised" by the raids of the homes of the blogger and Daniel J. The state prosecutor who ordered the raids had been "very hot on this case," these sources said, and was "shooting out of cannons into sparrows... it is surprising how quickly the search warrant was issued, given the high obstacles we face every day, even when dealing with serious crime."
In an accompanying comment, Abendblatt editor Matthias Iken called the raid "foolish," because "it supports the conspiracy theories of right-wingers." Where, he asked, "do the prohibitions start? And where do they stop?"

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er, no. Have you ctually read the story you linked to? And the SZ story it uses as a source?

Some selective reading happened there, or else something got lost in translation.
Apart from the "eye witnesses" where does it say they were both beheaded? Parnell so far hasn't posted a reliable link and you say it's contained in the linked stories in my link.

Before it all gets bogged down in semantics, it's true to say the event was horrific if only from the point of view that a woman and baby had to die so violently.

The point of it is that there seems to be some additional spin about "beheading" which has so far not been unequivocally established by any reliable source.
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Nope, correct.

The prosecution had requested a search warrant for the filmer's apartment. In that request, on page 2, the prosecution says the head was cut off "almost completely" (find the line that starts with "ẞend ").

Not sure about you, but I think when BILD reports on it 4 hours after the fact it's definitely not swept under the rug.
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I disagree - it's not only the refugee issue - although if I look at the recent riots in Nantes as well as the beheading of the mother and child in Germany by migrants I think mass deportations will have to be part of the solution.
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Nothing in that link indicates a double beheading.
WTF??

It was YOU that said it was a beheading!

My research on the story only came up with the fact they were STABBED. It's you that has to provide some evidence that it was a beheading because it was your post that started off down that road.
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Old 10.07.2018, 15:25
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the prosecution says the head was cut off "almost completely"
So, technically it's an attempted beheading, and not a beheading or simple stabbing.

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Nope - hoax has been debunked.

OK, so they're "well founded" if you don't fact-check. I'll give you that...
Sorry Sandgrounder but this article proves nothing and is not even addressing the claim at all. The claim is not that the attack itself has been hushed up but that by government order a very gruesome detail of the attack has been withheld by the press.

Means we have to check if the gruesome detail of the attack is actually true, if this information was withheld, and by whom's order.

Here one source, which speaks about it: http://juedischerundschau.de/das-ent...urg-135911982/

As the source might be questionable, here one which is maybe more reputable, which actually acknowledges that the child was actually almost completely beheaded, and that the information was indeed withheld.

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Monströses Detail aus Pietätsgründen nicht genannt

Gedreht hat die Aufnahmen ein Gospelsänger aus Ghana, dessen geschockte Stimme an einer Stelle zu hören ist. Dem Baby sei der „Kopf abgeschnitten“ worden, sagt der Mann auf Englisch. Polizei und Staatsanwaltschaft haben gegenüber der Öffentlichkeit nicht von der tatsächlich nahezu erfolgten Enthauptung des Kindes gesprochen, sondern von „schweren Schnittverletzungen am Hals“. Das erfolgte nicht aus Gründen des Täterschutzes, wie die Sprecherin der Staatsanwaltschaft betont, sondern aus Respekt vor der Würde des getöteten Kindes.

Die meisten Medien, auch die MOPO, haben aus Pietätsgründen ebenfalls darauf verzichtet, dieses monströse Detail der unfassbaren Tat zu nennen.

Der schäumende Mob im Internet legt diese Haltung jedoch als „Zensur“ und „Verschweigen“ aus. Es solle verhindert werden, dass die ganze archaische Brutalität des afrikanischen Kindsvaters bekannt werde.
https://www.focus.de/regional/hambur...d_8824400.html
Originaly published by Stephanie Lamprecht, Mopo (Hamburger Morgenpost)

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Was the mother beheaded? No. As far at is known to the public she was stabbed to death.
Was the child beheaded? Lamprecht writes "almost completely beheaded". See also the search warrant linked by Urs.
Was this detail of the attack with held? Yes. At least initially.
By whom? Police officials and also by the German main stream press.
Did the press withheld this particular detail by government order? The press says it was withheld out of respect for the dead.
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Nope, correct.

The prosecution had requested a search warrant for the filmer's apartment. In that request, on page 2, the prosecution says the head was cut off "almost completely" (find the line that starts with "ẞend ").

Not sure about you, but I think when BILD reports on it 4 hours after the fact it's definitely not swept under the rug.
So we have established that a search warrent was issued against a person who shared on youtube a video of an alleged decapitation.

The form attached to the search warrant appears to have been filled in by a person with the handwriting of a 7 year old.

The purpose of the search according to the documnet appears to be to verify whether that film had indeed been uploaded.

Strange, seeing the police could have gone onto youtube and found out at much lower cost.

So something is fishy here.
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aSITUS Fact check:
Was the child beheaded? Lamprecht writes "almost completely beheaded"
Was this detail of the attack with held? Yes. At least initially.
By whom? Police officials and also by the German main stream press.
Did the press withheld this particular detail by government order? The press says it was withheld out of respect for the dead.
Fair enough on the details/reporting that the child was so horrifically injured. Another report I read stated that the stab wound had indeed caused such catastrophic damage.

The original statement by Parnell, however, was that they had BOTH been beheaded. THAT was what I was calling out. Fake news gains traction so easily.

As for the hushing up; that was a byline on what I was reading but the real reason some details were withheld was partly as respect for the victims, which is nothing unusual anyway.

I could have predicted the usual teeth-gnashing...
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So let's sum things up.

1) nobody was beheaded

2) some people are saying that something is being hushed up, because nobody mentioned the beheading.

3) although there was no beheading, the beheading was all over the press at the time. So claims of a cover up are fake news.

4) no "reliable" source says there was a beheading. Only fake news sources reported on the beaheading.

5) there was a beheading

6) that doesn't count because thee weren't two beheadings.

7) the press only covered that one up out of piety for the victim. But that's not the same things as a cover up.


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So, technically it's an attempted beheading, and not a beheading or simple stabbing.

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Maybe, maybe not. I guess a stab in the throat of a 1yr old child with a big knife can relatively easily result in something approaching a beheading even though beheading was not an aim. You probably have more than one kitchen tool (knife-like only) that, if used as intended, will cut off limbs rather than puncturing the body.
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