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Old 10.07.2018, 15:52
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WTF??

It was YOU that said it was a beheading!

My research on the story only came up with the fact they were STABBED. It's you that has to provide some evidence that it was a beheading because it was your post that started off down that road.
I'll happily admit that I worded that sentence very poorly - it should have read "the murder of the Mom and the beheading of her child".

Interesting to note that the attacker had his asylum request denied but as per Mama Merkel had leave to remain in Germany...
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I'll happily admit that I worded that sentence very poorly - it should have read "the murder of the Mom and the beheading of her child".

Interesting to note that the attacker had his asylum request denied but as per Mama Merkel had leave to remain in Germany...
Maybe he also had leave to remain but it seems he had a string of violence to his name which might have seen it revoked?
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Old 10.07.2018, 16:01
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Maybe he also had leave to remain but it seems he had a string of violence to his name which might have seen it revoked?
Would be great to see what proportion of migrant violent offenders with similar status actually do not get deported. Remember Mrs. Merkel's promises to punish those involved in Köln ?
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Old 10.07.2018, 18:25
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Yes, by Merkel allowing Bavaria to close their border with Austria to migrants and agreeing to build camps to house asylum seekers (I think there's a name for those). She's finished, it's just a matter of time now. So hardly a storm in a teacup.

As an aside, this essentially means border checks at the German/Austrian border, yet the EU won't even entertain the idea of the same happening between Ireland and Northern Ireland.
Well Seehofer has published his migration plan which is already out of date as he failed to include recent agreed changes.

Some anti comments from the SPD so the plan is likely to fail to be approved anyway.

None of the newspapers I have read confirm Merkel is allowing Bavaria to close their border with Austria to migrants but maybe it is buried in the small print somewhere?
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Old 10.07.2018, 19:16
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So nobody was beheaded?
It looks so.
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Old 10.07.2018, 20:30
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It looks so.
But Seehofer gets his will done: Merkel closes the borders between Bayern and the rest of Germany
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Old 10.07.2018, 20:55
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I disagree - it's not only the refugee issue - although if I look at the recent riots in Nantes as well as the beheading of the mother and child in Germany by migrants I think mass deportations will have to be part of the solution.

I think that Merkel has presided over the greatest loosening of EU rules in regard to budgetary discipline in the EU's history - she refused to countenance the removal of Greece. This will ultimately - along with the refugee fiasco result in the revival of nationalistic fervour as opposed to European fervour.
Seems you will have to leave UK out of your deportation idea!
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The number of people in the United Kingdom who say that migrants are good for the economy has risen sharply to 47%, according to the British Social Attitudes survey. Just over a third of Brits said the same in 2015, and only 21% in 2013.

"There is a growing realization that sectors such as health and social care need skilled migrants and that low-skilled migrants are needed in sectors like agriculture and hospitality,"
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Old 10.07.2018, 22:40
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But Seehofer gets his will done: Merkel closes the borders between Bayern and the rest of Germany
What is happening to Merkel?! "We will build a wall and make Bayern pay for it"
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Old 10.07.2018, 23:02
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Well Seehofer has published his migration plan which is already out of date as he failed to include recent agreed changes.

Some anti comments from the SPD so the plan is likely to fail to be approved anyway.

None of the newspapers I have read confirm Merkel is allowing Bavaria to close their border with Austria to migrants but maybe it is buried in the small print somewhere?
Found it! Section 27 of the plan
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Implementation of temporary internal border controls Schengen Borders Code (SGK) to the extent required.
The actual Arrangement applies to the German-Austrian land border until November 2018
My translation; probably could be improved!

I still do not believe they have the resources to implement this

Edit; section 22 et al of the Schengen Borders Code allow temporary restrictions on internal borders but it is not clear that Seehofer's plan fully complies with this
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Old 11.07.2018, 10:25
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Maybe, maybe not. I guess a stab in the throat of a 1yr old child with a big knife can relatively easily result in something approaching a beheading even though beheading was not an aim. You probably have more than one kitchen tool (knife-like only) that, if used as intended, will cut off limbs rather than puncturing the body.
Yes and no.

If you've ever tried cutting up an animal carcass rather than having the butcher do all the difficult stuff for you, it's actually quite difficult. Unless you know precisely what you're doing, a single stab gets you nowhere, no matter how big or sharp the blade. The butcher displays all the nice meat in his shop but doesn't tell you about all the sinews and other nasty stuff that he has to deal with.

Abbatoires actually use electric saws, because hacking and sawing is just too tiring.

An accidental decapitation with an IKEA knife is extremely unlikely.
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Old 11.07.2018, 11:16
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If you've ever tried cutting up an animal carcass
Got me there, I never got beyond fish.

I'm surprised though that nobody cares about the search warrant. Why would the prosecution want to search the apartments of both filmers?
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Old 11.07.2018, 11:44
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I'm surprised though that nobody cares about the search warrant. Why would the prosecution want to search the apartments of both filmers?
Very disconcerting. I always though this sort of thing happened only in third world dictatorships.

But maybe not totally out of the blue.

If you google the guy you wil find he has a youtube channel and a long history of publishing movies of stuff that the police and authorities would rather you didn't know about.

So maybe this search was some attempt at revenge or intimidation.
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Old 11.07.2018, 12:33
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I know a guy in Germany who was harrassed by the Stasi for being too honest with his political views. He did several stints in prison and in between he was repeatedly arrested and held for a day or so for no particular reason. He also had his appartment ransacked by the police. All intimidation to make him shut up. After all that was over he applied for compensation and now receives a monthly "victim's pension" of 600 Euros courtesy of the German taxpayer.

Despite that, he still refuses to shut up and says he has already received threats and had unsavoury run ins with the police. But he takes it all in his stride, saying he's looking forward to getting a second victim's pension when this is all over.
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Old 11.07.2018, 13:24
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Yes and no.

If you've ever tried cutting up an animal carcass rather than having the butcher do all the difficult stuff for you, it's actually quite difficult. Unless you know precisely what you're doing, a single stab gets you nowhere, no matter how big or sharp the blade. The butcher displays all the nice meat in his shop but doesn't tell you about all the sinews and other nasty stuff that he has to deal with.

Abbatoires actually use electric saws, because hacking and sawing is just too tiring.

An accidental A planned decapitation with an IKEA knife is extremely unlikely.
ftfy

As you yourself posted "it's actually quite difficult".
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Old 11.07.2018, 13:28
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As you yourself posted "it's actually quite difficult".
But we already established that the baby was decpaitated and the person who debunked that was an idiot who didn't even read his own sources properly.

So seeing the decapitation did take place, the murderer must have been hacking around with his knife like a madman.

Surely this is more likely than everybody, including the police, suffering from some sort of a delusion .
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I'm loving the sophistry in the last few pages.

Murderous bastard savagely slaughters an innocent woman and her baby - her baby! - in a public place, and we're splitting hairs over the degree of separation between the head and the body like it somehow makes any kind of difference to the fact that this murderous bastard savagely slaughtered an innocent woman and her baby in a public place.

And then we wonder why France and Austria came within a whisker of electing far-right candidates to the presidency.

It's not the Muslims who are the problem. It's us!
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I'm loving the sophistry in the last few pages.

Murderous bastard savagely slaughters an innocent woman and her baby - her baby! - in a public place, and we're splitting hairs over the degree of separation between the head and the body like it somehow makes any kind of difference to the fact that this murderous bastard savagely slaughtered an innocent woman and her baby in a public place.
I think it does make a difference in as far as it raises questions about the credibilty of the press.

Germany has in its not too distant history seen the press write something that stirred up the mobs, who then went out and attacked innocent citizens.

So there is an understandable apprehension in the press today about writing anything that might again stir up the mob.

But just changing a story or leaving out a significant detail does not achieve that. Because sooner or later the mob discovers they have been lied to and their anger will be all the greater. A seemingly small difference suddenly becomes a big difference.

"Report the full truth, but put it in context", is always a better strategy than, "change things that you aren't comfortable with, people are too stupid to notice".
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Old 11.07.2018, 14:35
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I think it does make a difference in as far as it raises questions about the credibilty of the press.

Germany has in its not too distant history seen the press write something that stirred up the mobs, who then went out and attacked innocent citizens.

So there is an understandable apprehension in the press today about writing anything that might again stir up the mob.

But just changing a story or leaving out a significant detail does not achieve that. Because sooner or later the mob discovers they have been lied to and their anger will be all the greater. A seemingly small difference suddenly becomes a big difference.

"Report the full truth, but put it in context", is always a better strategy than, "change things that you aren't comfortable with, people are too stupid to notice".
Not to say it raises questions about the credibility of the web sites with headlines like "Merkel banns Media Reporting "?

One small positive point "The perpetrator later personally called the police and is now caught."

The murderer killed his ex-wife and daughter which makes it a savage act of domestic violence but difficult to turn it into the usual anti-refugee rhetoric!
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Old 11.07.2018, 15:14
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Not to say it raises questions about the credibility of the web sites with headlines like "Merkel banns Media Reporting "?

One small positive point "The perpetrator later personally called the police and is now caught."

The murderer killed his ex-wife and daughter which makes it a savage act of domestic violence but difficult to turn it into the usual anti-refugee rhetoric!
Other than the murderer being a refugee you mean or perhaps you meant to say that you think it's actually a good news story about refugees ??
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Old 31.07.2018, 09:29
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German court orders far-right party [AfD] to retract claim that government funds went to Clinton campaign
Georg Pazderski, leader of the party, was ordered to scrub its website of the accusation and issue a correction stating that the German ministry "paid no money whatsoever to support the election campaign of Hillary Clinton,”
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