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Some far right nazi thug threw up a Hitler salute yet people are more concerned about some young father knifed to death by refugees.
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Some far right nazi thug threw up a Hitler salute yet people are more concerned about some young father knifed to death by refugees.
And they are planning a massive counter-demo next week I think, with the usual culprits bussing in their rent-a-mob of useful idiots from all over Germany - in a demo where some grandstanding speakers will call for tolerance. And some of the participants will no doubt afterwards display their special understanding of tolerance by smashing police cars.

Yeah tolerance.

Not tolerance of nazi salutes I guess. Not tolerance of knife crimes either, I would hope.

Maybe tolerance of journalists who knowlingly decieve.
And tolerance of politicians who prefer murder to nazi salutes.

Exactly the sort of tolerance we need more of.

The sort of tolerance that permits Merkel to survive.
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Some far right nazi thug threw up a Hitler salute yet people are more concerned about some young father knifed to death by refugees.
He remains a thug and his Hitler salute does not kill. Am I reading this post right or is it one of the most stupid uncaring posts ever seen on EF! " Some young father ". Why dont you just say a young father or does saying " some " make him seem less important?
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He remains a thug and his Hitler salute does not kill. Am I reading this post right or is it one of the most stupid uncaring posts ever seen on EF! " Some young father ". Why dont you just say a young father or does saying " some " make him seem less important?
I didn't mean for it to sound like that and I apologize if ive
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offended.

I was just pointing out that a young men killing young men is not, sadly, newsworthy. It happens all over the world and it is a global problem and it has nothing to do with refugees.

But in Germany, a country with a dark history and a unique responsibility, to see people doing the Hitler salute is utterly disgusting and needs to be condemned by all, including the media. Such behaviour is completely unacceptable.
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offended.

I was just pointing out that a young men killing young men is not, sadly, newsworthy. It happens all over the world and it is a global problem and it has nothing to do with refugees.

But in Germany, a country with a dark history and a unique responsibility, to see people doing the Hitler salute is utterly disgusting and needs to be condemned by all, including the media. Such behaviour is completely unacceptable.
As Marton would say, you can't break an egg without making an omelette.

Things that don't kill us make us stronger. Murder doesn't kill people. It's people that murder who kill peiople. But Hitler salutes do kill people, not figuratively of course. But like broken omelettes. And seeing none of that egg got onto Merkel's face, nothing happened really.
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offended.

I was just pointing out that a young men killing young men is not, sadly, newsworthy. It happens all over the world and it is a global problem and it has nothing to do with refugees.

But in Germany, a country with a dark history and a unique responsibility, to see people doing the Hitler salute is utterly disgusting and needs to be condemned by all, including the media. Such behaviour is completely unacceptable.
these Hitler thugs survive only on publicity. I would personally round them up and ship them out to camps in Siberia for a few years. See how they think after that!
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these Hitler thugs survive only on publicity.
Hmm. People are so superficial. These pseudo-nazis are just some thugs stupid enough to seek for attention and exposure. The fascist philosophy is well and alive and insinuating itself at societal levels that really count....exactly like old racial theories that are taking different shapes and forms, but the same underlying principles are quite evident for people who have eyes to see and minds of their own.
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Hmm. People are so superficial. These pseudo-nazis are just some thugs stupid enough to seek for attention and exposure. The fascist philosophy is well and alive and insinuating itself at societal levels that really count....exactly like old racial theories that are taking different shapes and forms, but the same underlying principles are quite evident for people who have eyes to see and minds of their own.
The facsist philosophy never really went away, but just faded into the background for a while and is now re-emerging.

Germany. They banned nazi uniforms. They banned nazi songs. If they could, they would make a law that you need to shave your moustache from the middle outwards, as if you shave from the sides inward and the power goes out, you willl look like Hitler. But despite banning all that stuff that is just superficial, it has not occured to Germans that fascism when it returns might come under a different guise. So when censorship laws are tightended, when thousands of youtube videos are deleted, when the police go after bloggers who criticse the government, the average German fails to see the real resurfcaing of fascism. Who would have thought that the new fascism would use the fight against the old fascism as a trick to get people to gladly wave farewell to their freedoms?
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Quick refresher for those confused about the term "Fascism"...
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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

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when the government is censoring free speech, when the press is one-sidedly and uncritically towing the government line. when bloggers are being harrassed by the police and having their computers seized ...

it's refreshing to know that all that is fine because technically it doesn't quite tick all the boxes of some guys's definition of facism.

Meanwhile, one guy supposedly did a fascist salute, That alone 100% ticks all the boxes of fascism.

Thee is a famous play by Max Frisch, written actually in response to the Nazis. In it arosnists prepare to set fire to a guy's house. They fill his house with petrol and do lots of other things, but despite everybody warning him, he denies they are real arsonists because they don't have matches. Instead he finds innocent but increasingly unlikely excuses for the petrol, for the other things and choses to belive those.

In the final scene the chief arsonist asks the man to lend him a match.

His wife gets angry and says, why are you giving matches to an arsonist.

The man replies. He's no an arosnist. Don't you understand? If he were a real arsonsist, surely he would have matches of his own.

So much for placing too much trust in strict definitions.

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when the government is censoring free speech, when the press is one-sidedly and uncritically towing the government line. when bloggers are being harassed by the police and having their computers seized ...

it's refreshing to know that all that is fine because technically it doesn't quite tick all the boxes of some guys's definition of facism.

Meanwhile, one guy supposedly did a fascist salute, That alone 100% ticks all the boxes of fascism.

Thee is a famous play by Max Frisch, written actually in response to the Nazis. In it arsonists prepare to set fire to a guy's house. They fill his house with petrol and do lots of other things, but despite everybody warning him, he denies they are real arsonists because they don't have matches. Instead he finds innocent bu unlikely excuses for the petrol, for the other things and chooses to believe those.

In the final scene the chief arsonists asks the man to borrow a match.

His wife gets angry and says, why are you giving matches to an arsonist.

The man replies. He's not an arsonist as if he were, he would have matches.

So much for placing too much trust in strict definitions.
Did you watch the presentation to the end?

I'm guessing not because your sum up is this, right?

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I'm guessing not because your sum up is this, right?
You tell me.

the facsist did these two things:

1) they did a silly salute holding their arm out like that.
2) they censored and banned stuff.

Which of these is most objectionable?

Which of thee did one single guy in Chemnitz do?

Which of these is legal according to a law that was approved by a majority deciuson in parliament and is being implemented by police and judiciary?

Which of these is leading to the largest outcry?

If Hitler had had the choice, either you can have the salute thingy, or you can have the censorship thingy, which do you think would have been more important to him?

So who is the more like a facsist, the guy in Chemnitz or Merkel?
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The facsist philosophy never really went away, but just faded into the background for a while and is now re-emerging.

Germany. They banned nazi uniforms. They banned nazi songs. If they could, they would make a law that you need to shave your moustache from the middle outwards, as if you shave from the sides inward and the power goes out, you willl look like Hitler. But despite banning all that stuff that is just superficial, it has not occured to Germans that fascism when it returns might come under a different guise. So when censorship laws are tightended, when thousands of youtube videos are deleted, when the police go after bloggers who criticse the government, the average German fails to see the real resurfcaing of fascism. Who would have thought that the new fascism would use the fight against the old fascism as a trick to get people to gladly wave farewell to their freedoms?
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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

The Germans, and any other country, have a right to openly discuss the fact that certain groups are statistically more likely to commit crimes. Merkel is hell bent on pretending the problem doesn't exist, she's supposed to be in a 'centre right' party.
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Whats funny is that the majority of right-wing protestors are disavowing any Nazi ties, and are saying they just want some immigration conrtol, almost all the signs I saw were saying "Stop the migrant flood". But nobody is listening to them, they are being ignored. Everyone is instead focused on a handful of clowns throwing Nazi salutes.

The German govt dumped huge amounts of migrants into these small villages, cut back on police, and now when they are having problems with the refugees, they are just told "don't be racist".

When nobody listens to them, or takes their concerns seriously, then what happens? Yes, AfD and populist parties who DO listen to them get voted in. I don't think they will go back to Nazism, but there is a hard turn in the right direction is definitely coming soon.

...is Duisburg the next Chemniz?

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Forget the major metropolises like Berlin, Frankfurt, Munich or Hamburg, it's dilapidated Duisburg that's best known as Germany's capital of organized crime. For years, the public has viewed northern Duisburg as an area of migrants, violence and crime. It's written off by some as a "no-go-area."

Districts like Hamborn, Hochfeld and Marxloh all endured industrial decline and subsequent disastrous city government policy; neighborhoods crumbled amid the neglect. The authorities housed migrants there. And the German inhabitants, if they could afford it, moved away over the years, with greater pace over time. In the district of Marxloh, for example, about 54 percent of the population do not have German citizenship, according to the city authorities.
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However, the 77-year-old notes that voting for the populist party "is a way to get something to change."

When asked why the people of Duisburg so strongly supported the party, Mr. Kratz lowers his voice and replies: "Look around you."

Women wearing headscarves play with their children nearby in one of Duisburg's many fountains while pairs of men walk near the shops, some speaking in German, some not. It's a sign of the country's growing diversity – one that concerns Mr. and Mrs. Kratz.

"Many people are afraid of the refugees," Mrs. Kratz says. The couple believes Merkel's refugee policies are the main reason the AfD had such a strong showing in Duisburg.

"I don't go out at night alone without my husband anymore," the 66-year-old adds. "Everything has changed."
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these Hitler thugs survive only on publicity. I would personally round them up and ship them out to camps in Siberia for a few years. See how they think after that!
Well then, why don't you?
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...is Duisburg the next Chemniz?
The thing is that the government and media have already reacted in the maximum possible way because in Chemnitz a guy flexed his arm muscles in a certain way. and the government said that everybody who has a problem with a young man being muredered in their town is a nazi.

So basically they've shot all their powder in the first volley of the battle.

Anything that happens next, they have virtually no way of reacting even harder. A nazi is now a person who dsilies people being murdered and comparing people to nazis compares them to .. you get the picture. This is the point at which they wake up and see they haven't really thought this through.

It's now that they realize that they're at the bottom of a hole, and even if they stop dgging, it's too late, beacsue the soil is about to cave in and bury them alive.

Some of us might see comparisons to Erich Honnecker in his final days of power, accusing all protesters of being payed foreign agents etc etc.
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Merkel is hell bent on pretending the problem doesn't exist, she's supposed to be in a 'centre right' party.
It's the type of crimes that is scary. I wish you weren't right, but just another one. What's the point? Why would come here, ask for asylum, receive roof over your head and food, and clothes....it's just sad.

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"We are seriously taking into account that there was a terrorist motive," Amsterdam police spokesman Frans Zuiderhoek told AFP.
Earlier witnesses described scenes of panic as gunshots rang out and thousands of commuters and tourists were evacuated from the rail terminus shortly after midday.
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What's the point? Why would come here, ask for asylum, receive roof over your head and food, and clothes....it's just sad.
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