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It's the type of crimes that is scary. I wish you weren't right, but just another one. What's the point? Why would come here, ask for asylum, receive roof over your head and food, and clothes....it's just sad.



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Strangely the two people stabbed at Amsterdam's Central Station were American citizens?
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Strangely the two people stabbed at Amsterdam's Central Station were American citizens?
So? What's your point? Is it less atrocious because the victims were Americans? Or Cuban? What's your point .... we're all equal but some are more equal than others?

Or, maybe you'll try another "sensible" and "sensitive" answer like one of your compatriots - he anyway could have died in a mass shooting back home. Say it, it's the type of reply I expect on this forum...:-)

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Old 01.09.2018, 22:17
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So? What's your point? Is it less atrocious because the victims were Americans? Or Cuban? What's your point .... we're all equal but some are more equal than others?
My point was "it is strange".

Were they really randomly selected or was something else happening?
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My point was "it is strange".

Were they really randomly selected or was something else happening?
LOL. Try the "they could have died in a mass shooting incident in their native country or mugged by a bro' in a black 'hood"...c'mon, say it and let's get over with pretending we care about all lives equally....;-)
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And they are planning a massive counter-demo next week I think, with the usual culprits bussing in their rent-a-mob of useful idiots from all over Germany - in a demo where some grandstanding speakers will call for tolerance. And some of the participants will no doubt afterwards display their special understanding of tolerance by smashing police cars.

Yeah tolerance.

Not tolerance of nazi salutes I guess. Not tolerance of knife crimes either, I would hope.

Maybe tolerance of journalists who knowlingly decieve.
And tolerance of politicians who prefer murder to nazi salutes.

Exactly the sort of tolerance we need more of.

The sort of tolerance that permits Merkel to survive.
You are welcome to move to that shithole that is Chemnitz, if you don't like Western European tolerance...
The victim was half Cuban, and the family has expressed regret that his death is being used by neo-nazis. When the guy was young these were the same neo-nazis that were beating him for being brown...
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You are welcome to move to that shithole that is Chemnitz, if you don't like Western European tolerance...
The victim was half Cuban, and the family has expressed regret that his death is being used by neo-nazis. When the guy was young these were the same neo-nazis that were beating him for being brown...
Why should anyone have 'Western European tolerance' for murder?
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https://edition-m.cnn.com/2018/09/01.../index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fedition.cnn.com%2F

'Michael, a 61-year old from the nearby town of Erfurt didn't want to give his last name but did want to send a message to the media and local politicians: "I'm so angry because things have been so distorted. We're being called Nazis just because we are concerned about migration and our safety.
"I was there on the Monday protests. We were not violent. We did not commit any crimes. All we did was send a message." He insisted: "None of the politicians, who are normally so quick to comment when there is some violation of a foreigner's rights, not one of those politicians came out to speak their condolences for the murdered, Daniel. What is going wrong with this country?"'
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Old 02.09.2018, 19:28
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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

Big thing happening in Chemnitz. Churches. unions, government, all have trotted out their false tears and pretend anger and scripted speeches and of course it's on the German radio.

Just now we heard a woman saying the "other lot" were full of violence but they were here because they were against violence, and it was about time the police removed, using force if need be, anybody who approved of using violence to achieve their goals.

Irony is not something that comes naturally to them Germans.
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Who would have thought?

Number of non-German murder suspects rises: report
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Old 03.09.2018, 12:07
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Anyway, isn't the proper term Roman salute, rather than Nazi salute?

Just doesn't really tickle people's fears in the same way, does it?

Or make a murder sounds so innocent in comparison.

Not meaning to imply that the press seeks to manipulate, mind you.
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Irony is not something that comes naturally to them Germans.
That is because they're not a monolithic block, no nation is. It would be interesting to read other opinions from Germany, neither from the "left" nor from the "right". Wonder if there's any will or boldness left to those who're way more rational than the average and not particularly eager to please or to appeal to larger groups of people. I think a balanced and informed view is the least appealing thing these days. One has to take a side, as if choosing between good and bad. With capital letters.
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Old 03.09.2018, 13:00
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That is because they're not a monolithic block, no nation is. It would be interesting to read other opinions from Germany, neither from the "left" nor from the "right". Wonder if there's any will or boldness left to those who're way more rational than the average and not particularly eager to please or to appeal to larger groups of people. I think a balanced and informed view is the least appealing thing these days. One has to take a side, as if choosing between good and bad. With capital letters.
The problem is that when debates get emotional to borderline absurd, many middle-ground and reasonable people back out and shut up, just when their voice actually matters the most.
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Big thing happening in Chemnitz. Churches. unions, government, all have trotted out their false tears and pretend anger and scripted speeches and of course it's on the German radio.

Just now we heard a woman saying the "other lot" were full of violence but they were here because they were against violence, and it was about time the police removed, using force if need be, anybody who approved of using violence to achieve their goals.

Irony is not something that comes naturally to them Germans.

At least, she didn't question the monopoly on violence of the state ("Gewaltmonopol").



Big difference to the 1930s.
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The problem is that when debates get emotional to borderline absurd, many middle-ground and reasonable people back out and shut up, just when their voice actually matters the most.
To be fair, this thread is a pretty good barometer of that. The pontificating, utter nonsense and pettiness on here is toe-curling.
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A court in the southwestern German city of Landau on Monday sentenced asylum-seeker Abdul D. to eight years and six months in prison for the murder of a teenage girl in the town of Kandel in December last year.
both she and her parents went to the police about Abdul D.'s harassing and threatening behavior.

As authorities believe Abdul D. was underage at the time of the attack, he was tried as a minor. The maximum penalty for murder under German juvenile law is 10 years.

However, prosecutors have cast doubt over Abdul D.'s age. Although he says he was 15 years old when the stabbing occurred, an expert medical assessment ordered by the public prosecutor's office said that he is likely between 17 to 20 years old.
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-refuge...der/a-45329347

Several problems are highlighted here:

1) When asylum seekers burn their passports (to say they are under 18 and from certain countries where chance of asylum is high), then if they commit a crime, are they sentenced according to the age they claim? Or do authorities have to "guess" or make some medical tests to try to determine age? If people are legally migrated into Germany, simple things like citizenship, age, criminal history are much more likely to be verified.

2) After completion of jail sentence, assuming they are (or claim to be) from a "dangerous" country, they can not be expelled from Germany, so he will then be released into German society, expenses paid by German taxpayers?

3) Why are police not able to react in a better way to protect German citizens? Asylum seekers should not be extended the same (or more?) courtesies extended to legal inhabitants of Germany. Asylum seekers are supposedly there to ask protection from a life threatening situation, and if they are observed as behaving in a threatening way towards EU citizens, then they should be removed from roaming freely in EU countries and placed somewhere where they can be better monitored, eg. refugee camp, or simply have their case and return expedited.
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https://www.dw.com/en/germany-refuge...der/a-45329347

Several problems are highlighted here:

1) When asylum seekers burn their passports (to say they are under 18 and from certain countries where chance of asylum is high), then if they commit a crime, are they sentenced according to the age they claim? Or do authorities have to "guess" or make some medical tests to try to determine age? If people are legally migrated into Germany, simple things like citizenship, age, criminal history are much more likely to be verified.

2) After completion of jail sentence, assuming they are (or claim to be) from a "dangerous" country, they can not be expelled from Germany, so he will then be released into German society, expenses paid by German taxpayers?

3) Why are police not able to react in a better way to protect German citizens? Asylum seekers should not be extended the same (or more?) courtesies extended to legal inhabitants of Germany. Asylum seekers are supposedly there to ask protection from a life threatening situation, and if they are observed as behaving in a threatening way towards EU citizens, then they should be removed from roaming freely in EU countries and placed somewhere where they can be better monitored, eg. refugee camp, or simply have their case and return expedited.
Scientists are now able to estimate age within a margin of +/- 5 years by measuring the amount of DNA methylation present; that is still quite a wide margin but it is as good as it gets.
Simple fact is people age at different rates. Look at the maturity of wisdom teeth some are mature as early as age 15, others as late as 25, or never fully develop!
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Scientists are now able to estimate age within a margin of +/- 5 years by measuring the amount of DNA methylation present; that is still quite a wide margin but it is as good as it gets.
Simple fact is people age at different rates. Look at the maturity of wisdom teeth some are mature as early as age 15, others as late as 25, or never fully develop!
...which reaffirms my point of allowing "undocumented migrants" to enter the EU and claim asylum is a very bad idea, because you have n idea of not just their age, but criminal background, etc. or who they really are.
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...which reaffirms my point of allowing "undocumented migrants" to enter the EU and claim asylum is a very bad idea, because you have n idea of not just their age, but criminal background, etc. or who they really are.
I think I have said it on another cringeworthy thread: undocumented doesn't mean all of them come with stupid intentions.
Many (most?) come because of economic reasons. Europe seems like an island of peace of prosperity for all from where they stand. And it is, isn't it? Now, of course we know things aren't that simple because we've seen mass migration before. If you come with no rights, very often you'll be subjected to trafficking, modern slavery, discrimination etc. And sometimes you'll turn into what they were afraid you are, regardless of your intentions.

https://www.un.org/africarenewal/mag...y-boats-europe

But anyway. Do you believe in Merkel? No. I don't believe in any politician tbh. I don't even believe in EU anymore, it looks too much like the defunct Habsburg Empire. With layers of nations, some with more rights than the others. The older member states didn't solve their own colonial past, the newer - their communist heritage, and now we're supposed to be a large, happy family and even invite over more people, regardless of cultural differences. We don't know each other as European peoples, we don't have the same economic power nor equal influence. Each country has its specific problems, what goes down well in Berlin doesn't go down well in Sofia...and vice-versa. I wish I could be more positive, but I can't. Integration costs money, not every country has them. If they did, they'd probably prefer to invest in solving their own idiosyncrasies. Germany is an exception, but how many "Germanies" do we have ? Hehe.

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The problem is: we can't just shoot them at the border.
We also can't have them camp at the border - the Calais "Jungle Camp" would be a picturesque picnic-site in comparison after a short while.


The only way to avoid this is to enable them to make a living in their home-countries so they don't get desperate enough to leave and to help build-up non-failed states there that act like real states and take back citizens (and have identification systems).


Unfortunately, Europe is about 30 years behind schedule on this and ironically enough, the Chinese are picking up the slack by creating jobs in Africa.
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Germany is an exception, but how many "Germanies" do we have ? Hehe.



At the current rate, that number may be approaching zero earlier than many think.


In any case, demographic changes will mean that for every employee, there will be a pensioner/retired person in German around 2030.
That's completely unsustainable and the effects are already showing now.
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