I don't see how the recent influx of ME/African migrants will help EU's economy, in fact it appears to be a drain on it. The migrants who are not allowed asylum are given food, shelter and money at the EU's expense, and then when rejected get returned to their country of origin, again at the EU's expense. Or the "disappear" and live on the streets doing illegal jobs, etc. again, not benefiting anyone (except those who are looking for 10 EUR sex maybe).

The ones who are awarded asylum status win an all expense paid vacation in EU! They don't have to work, get free everything, and eventually can probably even get the "right" to bring their family over as well. Some eventually do learn the language, and a work skill, and do contribute, but even the long-term stats of asylum seekers 10+ years on don't look very good. I mean a low-level job and living on social help is not a big difference, so why even bother, right?

To make the argument that unskilled asylum seekers will help solve the future pension scheme is ridiculous. It's the reverse, it's going to be an even bigger drain on the governments social welfare costs!

Nonsense - if governments didnt "have to" expand the welfare state massively hiring enormous numbers of teachers , translators , police and social workers to cope with your massive inflow of unskilled labour then they'd have massive surpluses - as rainer said the courage to invest that money wisely is all that's missing.

Your approach towards keeping the ponzi scheme going is testament to your the moral and logical bankruptcy of your thinking.

"I don't see how the recent influx of ME/African migrants will help EU's economy" You are confusing refugees with migrants

Anyway the refugee situation in Germany is far better than you claim!

Source

Mathematics is not your strong point is it?

The Norwegian pension fund is worth around 1$ Trillion for a country with 5 million people.
Germany has 80 million people so how large a pension fund would be needed? 15$ Trillion?

German estimates of support for refugees is around 15 billion euro per year so even if they could invest all of that in a pension fund then how many centuries will be needed to fill the fund?

Anyway German Govt. annual spending on pensions is currently around 100 Billion euro per year so the refugee costs are peanuts comparatively .

Does Germany allow in "migrants" from ME/Africa? I thought they were supposed to be sent back? Unless you mean Africans/ME people who are are skilled workers and legally applying for jobs? (Which I assume would be very few?)

This is just giving one month worth of stats coupled with a positive spin, the full picture seems to be missing here. How many refugees in Germany are currently living off social help versus how many are employed?

''Europe, and for example Germany, cannot become an Arab country''

-Dalai Lama

Neither math nor truth are apparently strong points of yours

You may not be aware that pension funds are built up over a long period - saving the 23bn per year now would be an admirable start.

Google is your friend

It is difficult to answer your question when your terms are not clearly defined.

In 2016, around 3.4 million first residence permits were issued in the EU-28 to nationals of non-member countries.
Around 470 thousand of the 3.4 million first residence permits were issued to asylum seekers.
835 thousand first residence permits were issued for employment reasons and as you are interested in the number of Africans/ME people getting such permits for employment reasons you can dig into the database here.

2016 was an exception and so not a good basis for estimating ongoing costs, here is the 2018 budget with the actual figures for refugee support

It's just incredible how Merkel can cling onto power when these stories just keep on coming.

'Too young to prosecute': German police drop case of 10yo Afghan boy who raped classmate

To be fair, Germany has a different view on this than the US.


The German judicial system has no provisions for offenders as young as him - and there's no pressure to change that.
Kids at that age can't be expected to act responsibly. No point in putting a ten-year old in a prison cell.



I haven't followed the case too closely, but last I read was that the offenders (the actual rapist and the two who restrained the victim) are no longer at the school. The rapists is believed to need special counseling and will likely never be able to attend a "normal" school again. The victim will also never return to his current school.


This is a case where nobody wins, regardless of what you do. I hope that for their own sanity as well as for society as a whole, all parties involved can overcome this incident.

Perhaps it's time for a law change then. If they're mature enough to understand that they were doing something seriously wrong, and given the nature of the crime they are, then they should be tried, locked up and then kicked out. There used to be a similar view to treating minors in the UK, but then James Bulger happened.

This is preciely where I see a real danger.

There are no doubt reasons the law is as it is, pondered upon by experts with decades of legal experience as well as understanding of education and child deverlopment. Then discussed in commitees and some workable compromise hacked out.

The government's unwillingness to act on recent events, backed up by the renitence of vast swathes of both both government and opposition to even want to consider changing the law, is fuelling populists and polariszing the discussion.

It is turning waht was once a common sense compromise into a political battleground.

This has been happening in the US for at least a decade. The result is that you get a lot of crackpot legislation that doesn't really change anything but only serves to harvest applause from polarized groups. The dysfunction such laws create further splits society and opens more cracks for further botched laws.

In this way, it's not the refugees themselves or primary questions such as how many should we take and how much money should we spend on them that are doing the real damage, but these secondary discussions that are spiralling out of that.

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Germany's making an omelette, and the boy is a sacrificial egg.

The age of criminal responsibility in England and Wales is still 10 years old, children between 10 and 17 can be arrested and taken to court if they commit a crime.

No link huh ?? So more more makey uppy stuff from you ...

As per Sweden the labour participation rates of Non EU migrants is far below that of natives as Dr. Tino Sanandaji - as per the Swedish casepoints out here :

As to net cost - (not income) per refugee on the country over lifetime - that is after considering that some of them will eventually join the workforce and begin to contribute more than they take :

Forgot the German budget link.

Why are you posting about Sweden here and not in the Sweden thread?

And the egg is on Merkel's face, so she can't finish the omelette.

says the guy who just posted something about ctiminal law in England and Wales.