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Old 06.09.2018, 22:26
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It's clear, reasonable and actionable steps. But nobody is acting on it, save for Italy. If the EU actually stepped up the Frontex (Border and Coast Guard) and turned ships back to their port of origin, that would for sure have an effect, and a visible deterrence would also at the minimum send a message to migrants and traffickers that the game is over. The ones who do make it to the EU should be given the bare minimum. Not bank accounts with monthly deposits, but a place in a refugee tent, 3 meals a day, and that's it, until it's time to return to their country of origin.



But instead of this, there are "humanitarian NGO" ships that are out looking for migrant boats to pick them up and ferry them to EU. Then when they get to Germany or Sweden, they get bank accounts, free medical care, freedom of movement, and pretty much the same rights that native EU persons have. The migrants send pictures and stories back to their villages of how great EU is, and, well, it's no wonder there is a non-stop train coming into EU.


This is what the Germany are protesting. It's clear what's happening to everyone. But politicians are not doing anything about it. Nothing. Zip. Just blowing hot air. So yes, you are right, all the points I outlined remains sadly a "wishlist" until the people of EU elect some leaders who will finally have the balls act on these things. Like Italy.
"If the EU actually stepped up the Frontex (Border and Coast Guard) and turned ships back to their port of origin" Civilised countries are obliged to check the ships for genuine asylum seekers before returning them to extermination?
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Old 06.09.2018, 22:36
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No doubt you have a credible source for this?

In 2017, nearly half (46 %) of EU first instance asylum decisions resulted in positive outcomes.

You do know what "vast majority" means?

In your case "vast majority" means less than half?
What does your statistic above prove? That the EU will grant asylum to people who arrive from safe countries with no papers?

A 'positive outcome'- for who?
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Old 06.09.2018, 22:39
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"If the EU actually stepped up the Frontex (Border and Coast Guard) and turned ships back to their port of origin" Civilised countries are obliged to check the ships for genuine asylum seekers before returning them to extermination?
Yeah , there are death squads waiting at the Turkish and Tunisian ports, ready to massacre any who return.
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You are again confusing asylum seekers with migrants.

Your claim that the vast majority weren't escaping extermination says more about you than them!
The suspect arrested for the stabbing Chemnitz had had his asylum application rejected and shouldn’t have been in the country. Hope this helps.
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Old 06.09.2018, 22:56
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The problem with countries closing borders is that it does not solve the problem, it just moves it around and leads to more deaths.

For history buffs, the same solution was tried in 1938 when people were trying to run away from Hitler.
Maybe fewer Jews would have died if there had been a more enlightened approach?
Yes, but it's not the same situation. The Jews had a long history in those countries - many living there for hundreds of years, some were citizens with full rights prior to Hitler's madness and well, the regimes running those countries which had a large Jewish population (including my own) were happy to get rid of them even though they were basically their own people.

Now we are talking about illegal immigration in many cases. I'm not sure if it's really comparable, sounds a bit disrespectful for those who perished during the Holocaust. The Jews were crammed in trains and sent away to concentration camps where we all know what happened.
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Old 06.09.2018, 23:19
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What does your statistic above prove? That the EU will grant asylum to people who arrive from safe countries with no papers?

A 'positive outcome'- for who?
I assume you cannot prove your ridiculous claim the EU will grant asylum to people who arrive from safe countries with no papers?

I would accept this claim if you can prove me wrong?
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Old 06.09.2018, 23:21
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I assume you cannot prove your ridiculous claim the EU will grant asylum to people who arrive from safe countries with no papers?

I would accept this claim if you can prove me wrong?
Lol, I know several personally.
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Old 06.09.2018, 23:22
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The suspect arrested for the stabbing Chemnitz had had his asylum application rejected and shouldn’t have been in the country. Hope this helps.
How does this help?
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Old 06.09.2018, 23:24
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Yes, but it's not the same situation. The Jews had a long history in those countries - many living there for hundreds of years, some were citizens with full rights prior to Hitler's madness and well, the regimes running those countries which had a large Jewish population (including my own) were happy to get rid of them even though they were basically their own people.

Now we are talking about illegal immigration in many cases. I'm not sure if it's really comparable, sounds a bit disrespectful for those who perished during the Holocaust. The Jews were crammed in trains and sent away to concentration camps where we all know what happened.
Many Jews tried to leave their countries to escape Hitler's madness but were blocked at the borders of other countries

"Sounds a bit disrespectful for those who perished during the Holocaust" you should be ashamed!
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Old 06.09.2018, 23:34
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Many Jews tried to leave their countries to escape Hitler's madness but were blocked at the borders of other countries

"Sounds a bit disrespectful for those who perished during the Holocaust" you should be ashamed!
Put down the bottle or take your chill pills or whatever and read again what you wrote. You are the one who should feel ashamed, comparing the unimaginable ordeals the Jews have been through with illegal migration.

That was it, master troll to be ignored from now on.
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Old 06.09.2018, 23:35
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Lol, I know several personally.
Very convincing
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Old 07.09.2018, 00:29
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Put down the bottle or take your chill pills or whatever and read again what you wrote. You are the one who should feel ashamed, comparing the unimaginable ordeals the Jews have been through with illegal migration.

That was it, master troll to be ignored from now on.
The world has changed, asylum seekers are no longer classed as illegal immigrants however much you may not like that!

Switzerland was a leader in sending Jewish asylum seekers (illegal immigrants) back to the Nazis; several documentaries worth watching:
ONE STEP TO FREEDOM
The Boat Is Full
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The world has changed, asylum seekers are no longer classed as illegal immigrants however much you may not like that!
The world hasn't changed for already few decades> asylum seekers are asylum seekers and their files and situations are processed and assessed over many, many years. In absolute numbers there're are more than ever, the criteria of admission are much more relaxed, you can't even compare with other times.
Illegal immigration, however, is illegal immigration. Borders do exist, countries do exist no matter how unfair you see that. And if more people like you continue to argue ad nauseam common sense, basic things, we're gonna have a revival of fascism I'm sure not even you would like to see. You resemble those hard core communists who imposed the "greater good" by force and intimidation.
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Old 07.09.2018, 12:12
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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

Reminds me of the German philsopher, Walther Benjamin. He was fleeing nazi persecution and had managed to travel through France incognito and crossed the Pyrenees by an unguarded footpath with the help of a French friend. My late mother was a big fan of Benjamin's and i once accompanied her on a walking tour reconstructing as well as is possible in light of the surviving evidence the path that he took.

A lot of people were crossing into Spain at the time. Although Franco was nominally allied with Hitler, a blind eye was being tuned to many of the refugees, especially seeing most of them didn't want to stay in Spain but were heading down to the Atlantic ports and seeking a passage to North or South America.

Now Benjamin actually had applied for a visum to cross Spain in this way and brought the document with him. The reason he crossed the border clandestinely was to avoid trouble on the French side.

Having arrived in the little village of Port Bou, he could have caught the next train to Barcelona and then another train to Madrid and another to Cadiz and nobody would have been any the wiser. But being the good German that he was, he wanted to play by the rules and walkied into the police office of Port Bou and presented his documents, saying he wanted to declare that he was now in Spain and wanted them stamped.

The police chief said, unfortunately we can't do that, because it seems that you left France and crossed the border illegally. The police chief said he was nominally under arrest and ordered him to check into a hotel and said he should report back the next day or maybne the day after so they could clarify how to resolve the problem.

So here he was. Not in prison but in a hotel. Basically the Spanish policemen was following rules but leaving the back door wide open. But poor Benjamin, who was already in a poorly state at that point, didn't see that and committed suicide in his hotel room. What a tragedy.

No proper report was ever filed and the full story wasn't pieced together until several decades later.
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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

I have to think of the German girl who ran away with a man forty years older five years ago, at age thirteen - and lived in Italy most of the time (they split shortly after running away).


She traveled from Poland to Italy by bike and did odd-jobs and even got an apartment, all without ever having to show a passport.


People probably mentally filed her under "tourist" or "au pair" - but still, quite an achievement.
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Old 07.09.2018, 14:20
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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

Now even Maassen, the chairman of the "Verfassungschuitz" (the government organization responsible for among others, observing and under-cover spying on extremist organisations of all types) has stated that he believes the reports on the right-wing mob being out of control in Chemnitz are fake and were disseminated with manipulative intent - with the intention of diverting people's attention from the murder.

The left-wing parties have repsonded by demanding his resignation.


http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/i...-15775690.html
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The left-wing parties have repsonded by demanding his resignation.
Of course, because he is obviously a ...(wait for it)...Nazi! Just like everyone else who doesn't agree with Germany's migrant policies. Nazis everywhere!

...actually, as the Leftist media/government/activists continues their attacks on anyone who disagrees with them, I think it will soon become a self-fulfilling prophecy...
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Now even Maassen, the chairman of the "Verfassungschuitz" (the government organization responsible for among others, observing and under-cover spying on extremist organisations of all types) has stated that he believes the reports on the right-wing mob being out of control in Chemnitz are fake and were disseminated with manipulative intent - with the intention of diverting people's attention from the murder.

The left-wing parties have repsonded by demanding his resignation.

http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/i...-15775690.html
In his position "there's no evidence that the video is authentic" is way too little, it's an "Armutszeugnis", evidence of incompetence. He has the tools, manpower and knowledge at his disposal to produce at least expertise to that end if outright proof of falsification is unavailable.

Failing to do so reeks ... of manipulation ... not by the media but by him.
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Now even Maassen, the chairman of the "Verfassungschuitz" (the government organization responsible for among others, observing and under-cover spying on extremist organisations of all types) has stated that he believes the reports on the right-wing mob being out of control in Chemnitz are fake and were disseminated with manipulative intent - with the intention of diverting people's attention from the murder.

The left-wing parties have repsonded by demanding his resignation.


http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/i...-15775690.html
Lügenpresse.
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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

Someone I used to work with who came from west Germany said they thought east Germany had never thrown off fascism and essentially moved from a Nazi to a communist dictatorship in name only.

The proportion of foreign nationals in the German population is apparently lowest in the east German states.

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Der Anteil der Ausländer an der Gesamtbevölkerung der Bundesländer war im Jahr 2016 in den Stadtstaaten Berlin (16,7 Prozent), Bremen (16,5 Prozent) und Hamburg (15,6 Prozent) am größten. Es folgten die Flächenländer Hessen (15,1 Prozent), Baden-Württemberg (14,5 Prozent) und Nordrhein-Westfalen (12,4 Prozent). Am niedrigsten ist der Anteil der Ausländer an der Gesamtbevölkerung in den ostdeutschen Bundesländern. Die Werte lagen im Jahr 2016 zwischen 4,0 Prozent in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern und Brandenburg sowie 4,4 Prozent in Sachsen-Anhalt. In Ostdeutschland (ohne Berlin) lag der Anteil der Ausländer an der Gesamtbevölkerung im Jahr 2016 bei 4,2 Prozent. In Westdeutschland (ohne Bremen und Hamburg) lag er im selben Jahr bei 12,1 Prozent und in den Stadtstaaten bei 16,4 Prozent.
https://www.bpb.de/nachschlagen/zahl...-nach-laendern
After Chemnitz, poll shows east-west split on migration

An immigrant shopkeeper in Chemnitz for 18 years says here (Spiegel TV: Ausschreitungen in Chemnitz: "Wir sind bepöbelt und bedroht worden") that if the situation in Chemnitz continues he'll leave Saxony and move to west Germany.

Perhaps the problem in Chemnitz isn't so much the foreigners as the attitude of "das Volk" to them.
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