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Old 08.09.2018, 16:09
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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

The population demographics don't signify much of anything in regards to the people's attitudes towards foeigners- W. Germany brought in 12 million Gastarbeiter, E. Germany did not.
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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

While the GDR-regime preached "friendship among the peoples", it was only on paper.

Actual cultural exchange or traveling was frowned upon.


Because the Communist Party of the Weimar Republic had their fare share in bringing down the Weimar Republic, history-lessons also were a bit revisionist, mostly putting all the blame on the "fascists" in the West.

Don't forget Stasi-chief Mielke hid the police-report of him killing two policemen in a street-battle in Berlin in 1931 in his personal safe for over forty years.
You can't really expect an honest debate about history with so many skeletons in the locker.
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Old 08.09.2018, 16:43
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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

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The population demographics don't signify much of anything in regards to the people's attitudes towards foeigners- W. Germany brought in 12 million Gastarbeiter, E. Germany did not.
I doubt many people wanted to emigrate to E. German in Communist times, a unification treaty was ratified by the Bundestag and the People's Chamber in September and went into effect on October 3, 1990.

Probably started to get more attractive after that?
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Old 09.09.2018, 13:35
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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

And support for Merkel's coalition hits a new record low

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Combined support for German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s conservative alliance and their partners, the left-leaning Social Democrats (SPD), has hit a record low for any such ‘grand coalition’ government, according to a survey published on Sunday.
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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

Another man has been beaten to death in eastern Germany by migrants yesterday. Going well, isn’t it?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45465599
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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

Those "Einzelfälle" aren't the real problem - criminality in Germany overall isn't rampant, and police officers aren't shooting people on sight like in the US. In fact, less people are killed (by gun shootings) in Germany - adjusted to population levels - than people are killed in the US by the police.

BUT.. and here is the great BUT.. the perceived level of security in Germany has rapidly been shrinking. Now this isn't all Merkel's fault - but waving in millions of people looking for free cash (they lost any kind of refugee status when they kept looking for a "better deal" after being in security - which all of them where in Turkey, Libanon, etc. - that's according to UN policies, after all..) when you get tons of domestic problems already probably wasn't the smartest move.

I mean, it's not like "Grossfamilien" of Arab descent basically run the German cities like the Mafia does in Italy, that the Berlin police is heavily undermined by them, and so on.

German taxes are high, and German "efficiency" and overall company profits are only looking so good because they've managed to get the Euro up and running - a currency which makes Germany's currency much weaker than it should be (and Italy's, Greece's much stronger) - giving all export companies a huuuuge boost to their numbers, since they can produce at artificial lower rates compared to their efficiency, while their Southern EU brothers are squeezed hard by it.

Right now, the German system still seems to work "somehow", they keep Europe together (and their own economy) by paying for everything.

Now, let the interests rise, let the demographics go on for another decade, and the situation will look really dark.

Calling everyone supporting the AfD a nazi won't work well, either. That worked when parties like the NPD (a proper, full blown Nazi party) run for their 5% - it won't work when the CDU alienated half their popular base, the SPD lost even more, and we might get into a scenario soon when even CDU+SPD don't hold 50% of the votes anymore.

And the Left has just woke up too, it seems - with a relatively "votable" program from Sara Wagenknecht. I don't support her, but it's not more toxic than the "Einheitsbrei" produced by the great coalition right now - at least it got into a certain direction.

Germany might eventually get an even worse political lockdown that they just passed last winter.. with the whole situation getting more and more out of hand on the "front"..
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Old 09.09.2018, 22:40
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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

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I doubt many people wanted to emigrate to E. German in Communist times,
Many millions of Germans were driven out of their homes in Silesia, Pomerania, Sudetenland etc etc.

Many settled in the former GDR.

The wall wasn't built until the 1960s.

So if they hadn't wanted to stay in the GDR they could easily have left.
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Old 10.09.2018, 15:06
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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

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Another man has been beaten to death in eastern Germany by migrants yesterday. Going well, isn’t it?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45465599
Poor sod died of a heart attack and had no fatal injuries.
Never mind Loz, I am sure another wild goose will be along soon for you to chase after.

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Maybe this speech from the rally is more up your street
I hope not!

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David Koeckert, a leading figure in far-right group Thuegida and former member of the NPD, a right-wing extremist party, was one of those who traveled to Koethen following multiple calls to action across social media.

Hundreds listened to Koeckert's speech at the event, many clapping and cheering as he described immigration to Germany as an "invasion" and warned of the "slaughter of the German people."

"This is war and can be described as such. A race war against the German people," Koeckert said. "Do you want to remain bleating sheep or do you want to become wolves and shred them?"
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Old 10.09.2018, 15:13
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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

Ah yes.

A NPD man holds an unpalatable speech, and therefore the AfD is evil.
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Old 12.09.2018, 00:08
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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

According to Tagesanzeiger today over 100 of the demonstrators in Chemnitz were foreigners which makes a nonsense of their "Germany for Germans" chanting!

They claim one of them was a Swiss guy who works for Securitas in a refugee centre
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Old 12.09.2018, 12:54
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According to Tagesanzeiger today over 100 of the demonstrators in Chemnitz were foreigners which makes a nonsense of their "Germany for Germans" chanting!
I thought all Gerrmans are foreigners.

Except those that have dual nationaility.

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According to Tagesanzeiger today over 100 of the demonstrators in Chemnitz were foreigners which makes a nonsense of their "Germany for Germans" chanting!

They claim one of them was a Swiss guy who works for Securitas in a refugee centre

Maybe they think of Germany in the sense of "Germany as of 1938"?
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsc..._Dezember_1937
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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

Lol at all the patient 'I told you so'ers who've been waiting for Germany to implode for years.

It's going nowhere, guys. Find a new hobby.
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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

So Germany doesn't have any problems with migration? (like the rest of Western Europe has, too..)

Ignoring a very issue is why the far right has been gaining votes.. a problem doesn't go away if you choose to ignore it, in fact, quite the contrary.
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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

I think Dalai Lama is a racist piece of...ahem.
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STOCKHOLM: The Tibetan spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, said Wednesday that “Europe belongs to the Europeans” and that refugees should return to their native countries to rebuild them.

Speaking at a conference in Sweden’s third-largest city of Malmo, home to a large immigrant population, the Dalai Lama—who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1989 — said Europe was “morally responsible” for helping “a refugee really facing danger against their life.”

“Receive them, help them, educate them… but ultimately they should develop their own country,” said the 83-year-old Tibetan who fled the capital Lhasa in fear of his life after China poured troops into the region to crush an uprising.

“I think Europe belongs to the Europeans,” he said, adding they should make clear to refugees that “they ultimately should rebuild their own country.”


Revered by millions of Buddhists around the world, and regarded by his many supporters as a visionary in the vein of Mahatma Gandhi and Martin Luther King, the Dalai Lama was speaking three days after the far-right populist party Sweden Democrats made gains in the country’s general election on Sunday.

The anti-immigration party came in third, behind Prime Minister Stefan Lofven’s Social Democrats and the opposition conservative Moderates in the Nordic nation which in 2015 took in the highest number of asylum seekers per capita in Europe. AFP
https://www.manilatimes.net/dalai-la...opeans/440951/
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Old 12.09.2018, 20:35
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I think Dalai Lama is a racist piece of...ahem.


https://www.manilatimes.net/dalai-la...opeans/440951/


Asylum seekers are not migrants! Of course, they should go home if and when circumstances allow, I mean if the country is safe.

See my post in another thread here.

A number of people here do not seem able to understand the difference between asylum seekers and migrants (or maybe do not want to?).

EDIT: From the UNHCR (The UN refugee agency) "Helping Refugees to Reintegrate: the Challenges of Rehabilitation".

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Asylum seekers are not migrants! Of course, they should go home if and when circumstances allow, I mean if the country is safe.

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He didn't even mention the word "migrants". He said "refugees". Does he also confuse the terms? Read before you post.

I think what you really meant by your post is that he shouldn't have any opinion.
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Asylum seekers are not migrants! Of course, they should go home if and when circumstances allow, I mean if the country is safe.

A number of people here do not seem able to understand the difference between asylum seekers and migrants (or maybe do not want to?).
The Dalai Lama doesn't care for such trivialities, Europe belongs to the Europeans.
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Old 13.09.2018, 12:17
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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

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I think Dalai Lama is a racist piece of...ahem.


https://www.manilatimes.net/dalai-la...opeans/440951/
What were you expecting ?

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