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Old 14.10.2018, 21:17
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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

Not sure what to make of the surge of the Greens here. The Greens essentially built their campaign on a mixture of wishy washy promises (they're going to bring more humanity into politics, yeah) and downright nastiness (screaming down opponents in debates). A combination that on the surface would seem to cancel one another out, but apparently it didn't.

I guess it's all sympotamatic for the high degree of disorientation that has taken grip of Germany.
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Old 14.10.2018, 21:30
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Not sure what to make of the surge of the Greens here. The Greens essentially built their campaign on a mixture of wishy washy promises (they're going to bring more humanity into politics, yeah) and downright nastiness (screaming down opponents in debates). A combination that on the surface would seem to cancel one another out, but apparently it didn't.

I guess it's all sympotamatic for the high degree of disorientation that has taken grip of Germany.
Green surge? Clearly due to their extremely generous proposals for refugees
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Old 14.10.2018, 22:17
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Green surge? Clearly due to their extremely generous proposals for refugees
What is the Greens position on refugees?
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Green surge? Clearly due to their extremely generous proposals for refugees
AfD still got the bigger swing than the Greens.
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Old 15.10.2018, 00:11
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What is the Greens position on refugees?
Look here
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Old 15.10.2018, 11:23
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What is the Greens position on refugees?
All should be welcome to come.

None should be sent back.

Governments need to cooperate with people smugglers to make it easier for refugees to come.

Any country that does not tow that line needs to have its EU funding cut and voting rights suspended. As a second step, military force needs to be applied if necessary to force resettlement.

Any individual in German disagreeing with their point of view should be placed under police observation, and/or have their children taken away. If they work for the government they need to be fired immediately. Dawn raids on people's houses are acceptable if there is reason to think they disagree with Green policy.

These points are not official party policy but have been voiced by individual politicians in positions of authority within the party, without being denounced by the party, or the party taking any measures against those individuals. So you can sort of see what they really think.

On one of my troll accounts on a Green party forum I have also made all these points and harvested dozens of likes.
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Old 15.10.2018, 12:12
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...military force needs to be applied if necessary ...
...Dawn raids on people's houses are acceptable...
So they are pro-military and pro-police? Ok, sounds good to me

Just joking Are the Greens more to the Left than the Social Democrats?
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All should be welcome to come.

None should be sent back.

Governments need to cooperate with people smugglers to make it easier for refugees to come.

Any country that does not tow that line needs to have its EU funding cut and voting rights suspended. As a second step, military force needs to be applied if necessary to force resettlement.

Any individual in German disagreeing with their point of view should be placed under police observation, and/or have their children taken away. If they work for the government they need to be fired immediately. Dawn raids on people's houses are acceptable if there is reason to think they disagree with Green policy.

These points are not official party policy but have been voiced by individual politicians in positions of authority within the party, without being denounced by the party, or the party taking any measures against those individuals. So you can sort of see what they really think.

On one of my troll accounts on a Green party forum I have also made all these points and harvested dozens of likes.
Making a point is one thing but isn't that just a wee bit tragic?

Just wow.
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Old 15.10.2018, 12:38
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Just joking Are the Greens more to the Left than the Social Democrats?
This is an eternal debate and I don't think there is a straight answer.

Both SPD and Greens include a range of different viewpoints, and you can probably find examples that tip the verdict either way.

But I think you can say that the SPD is traditionally anchored in the more classical social democratic old-school cloth cap bracket, and are typically supported by Unions, by civil servants, teachers etc.

The greens have their roots more in the activist scene, tracing their origins to the 1960s student unrest and later the anti nuclear movement. As they grew maturer they went through some difficult phases of moving away from their initial points of view and the party came very close to splitting several times in its history.

But there is a considerable overlap and you will find quite a few policians who have swapped parties at some point in ther careers.

So if the SPD goes into terminal decline, I think it would be fair to say the greens will be their natural succesoors as far as speaking for teachers and covil servants goes. The AfD is more likely to lap up the remaining cloth cap working class folks.
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Old 16.10.2018, 11:09
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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

Some action in Köln yesterday...an ISIS "asylum seeker" throwing bombs and taking hostages...

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A woman was held hostage by a man for two hours at a pharmacy in Cologne's central railway station on Monday. Police stormed the pharmacy and ended the situation around two hours later, shooting the individual several times.

Klaus Rüschenschmidt, who led the police operation, said the perpetrator had initially thrown a Molotov cocktail inside a fast-food restaurant in the station, injuring a 14-year-old. An eyewitness told DW's David Martin at the scene that the young woman fled the restaurant with her legs on fire. She was taken to the hospital.

The assailant then "fled to the pharmacy, where he took a hostage," Rüschenschmidt said. When special forces intervened, the man "attempted to set light to the hostage."


Police spokesman Klaus-Stephan Becker said investigators had found a document belonging to a 55-year-old Syrian asylum seeker in the pharmacy, which "likely belonged to the perpetrator now being treated in hospital."

The man demanded the release from custody of a Tunisian woman, and was reported to have said he was a member "Daish," an Arabic acronym for the "Islamic State" militant group. He had camping gas canisters with him that were stuck together with adhesive tape, as well as bottles of fire accelerant.
https://www.dw.com/en/german-police-...ion/a-45893296
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Old 20.10.2018, 10:48
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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

Interesting article here about the Green surge in Europe.
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Offering a pro-EU stance, a humane approach to migration and clear positions on existential issues such as climate change, biodiversity and sustainability, Green parties in several countries are now polling higher nationally than the traditional centre-left.
This runs counter to the view that Europeans will voice protest by voting for far right populist groups.
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Old 20.10.2018, 10:53
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Some action in Köln yesterday...an ISIS "asylum seeker" throwing bombs and taking hostages...

https://www.dw.com/en/german-police-...ion/a-45893296
Seems like just another isolated nutter!
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Although witnesses reported that Mohammad A.R. said he was a member of the militant "Islamic State" (IS) group, police found little to link him to the group during a raid at the man's residence.
According to police, the 55-year-old was unemployed and had a history of mental health issues.
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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

Germans mostly want Merkel to stay and Seehofer to go.

https://twitter.com/COdendahl/status...069153792?s=19

Also, life in Germany is good and people are not afraid to go out and enjoy the sunny days of autumn.
Oh, and people are sick of Seehofer threatening to kill the GK.

Having said that, I do want Merkel to finally go home, but turning the conservative parties into a German SVP in order to satisfy a few racist idiots is not the way to achieve this.
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These points are not official party policy but have been voiced by individual politicians in positions of authority within the party, without being denounced by the party, or the party taking any measures against those individuals. So you can sort of see what they really think.
By the same logic the SVP trends towards nazi-ism and other brown shyt, otherwise they would have kicked Marcel Toeltl, then local president of the SVP in St. Margrethen, after the federal court ruling that allowed to call him "Nazi-Sympathisant" and "bekennender Rassist" (nazi smpathesizer, confessing racist).
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Making a point is one thing but isn't that just a wee bit tragic?

Just wow.
I wouldn't say tragic, but definitely sad... Reminded me of someone who made multiple accounts on a site to give bad rep to a restaurant...I was like "You really did that?"....wow.
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Old 28.10.2018, 18:10
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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

So let's see if Merkel will survive Hesse too.
Normally she should, especially if the CDU-Green coalition stays in power.
The alternative (Greens-SPD-Linke) might lead to a new general election.
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Old 28.10.2018, 18:37
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So let's see if Merkel will survive Hesse too.
Normally she should, especially if the CDU-Green coalition stays in power.
The alternative (Greens-SPD-Linke) might lead to a new general election.
It's very narrow.

Ah, well. We can sit here and watch, from our somewhat elevated position, how the German politics enters self-destruct mode.
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Ignore voters, get punished shocker.
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Re: Do you believe in Merkel?

AfD did well but contrary to the populist doomsayers so did the Greens.

Neither got enough votes to force a role in the Parliament majority so will be interesting to see next time around if after some years of impotent sitting on the back benches if they still attract a lot of votes.
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Merkel giving up her party role.

"German Chancellor Angela Merkel has told her CDU party that she will not run for re-election as its chairwoman in December, sources say.

Her decision comes after her party suffered heavy losses in regional elections that threatened the stability of the governing coalition.

Mrs Merkel has been chair of the CDU since 2000, becoming one of its longest-serving chairpersons.

She has led Germany as chancellor since 2005 - and wants to stay in that post.

Mrs Merkel has reportedly told CDU party leaders that she will step aside from the leadership election bid after the centre-right party and the centre-left SPD both took a hit in ballots in Hesse state at the weekend.

However, she said that she would like to remain chancellor, local media report."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46016377
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