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Old 31.10.2018, 09:23
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interesting way of reading you have. keep in mind that the girl is 15 years old.
Also keep in mind the age of sexual consent in Germany is 14

From the story one of the boys involved was her ex boyfriend.

The story also says the incidents took place on different days in different apartments with different boys.

By no stretch of the imagination was this gang rape!
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Also keep in mind the age of sexual consent in Germany is 14

From the story one of the boys involved was her ex boyfriend.

The story also says the incidents took place on different days in different apartments with different boys.

By no stretch of the imagination was this gang rape!
Actual LOL!
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Old 31.10.2018, 09:33
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You sure you're not confusing that incident with this one?

Sexuelle Übergriffe auf dem Freimarkt

Don't concern yourself though, it's a price worth paying for future economic stability. Marton says so.
Ah good, you finally got it!

Minor matter I was posting about migrants not refugees but do not let facts confuse you.

Positive news the %ge of working age refugees in work is trending towards 36% at year end. This is excellent when you consider refugees are fleeing for their lives, not looking for work and often do not have suitable skills.

Anyway it would be a nice change from your usual negative and depressing posts if you were to offer an alternative and practical solution to the problem of funding future old age pensions. This is a rhetorical question I know it is above your skill level!

While on the topic one of the new immigration proposals is that when illegal immigrants are well integrated and working then they should be allowed to stay.
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Old 31.10.2018, 09:35
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Actual LOL!
Trolling again?

No insight from you as to your view of the article I quoted.
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no, it is actually way worse than that.
Simply no. Not saying it is not bad but if there is a scale for these things it is still nowhere near as bad as gang rape.
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Simply no. Not saying it is not bad but if there is a scale for these things it is still nowhere near as bad as gang rape.
A "gang rape" headline will garner more clicks and shares, and also gives the hard-of-thinking an easy step up to bleat from the moral high-ground. Tabloids are full of it these days - it's a winning formula so who cares about the facts?
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Old 31.10.2018, 10:25
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Also keep in mind the age of sexual consent in Germany is 14
It depends. Since these guys were over 21, they could face jail for sexual relations with someone under 18

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The age of consent in Germany is 14, as long as a person over the age of 21 does not exploit a 14- to 15-year-old person's lack of capacity for sexual self-determination, in which case a conviction of an individual over the age of 21 requires a complaint from the younger individual; being over 21 and engaging in sexual relations with a minor of that age does not constitute an offense by itself. Otherwise the age of consent is 16, although provisions protecting minors against abuse apply until the age of 18 (under Section 182(1): it is illegal to engage in sexual activity with a person under 18 "by taking advantage of an exploitative situation"[35]).
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From the story one of the boys involved was her ex boyfriend.
The people arrested were 20-25 years old, surely they are men? And if your ex-boyfriend rapes you and shares you with his friends, that's OK? Obviously, she is at the police, so doesn't seem to be all that "consensual"? Funny how the apologist narratives suddenly start to flow...
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Old 31.10.2018, 10:46
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It depends. Since these guys were over 21, they could face jail for sexual relations with someone under 18

The people arrested were 20-25 years old, surely they are men? And if your ex-boyfriend rapes you and shares you with his friends, that's OK? Obviously, she is at the police, so doesn't seem to be all that "consensual"? Funny how the apologist narratives suddenly start to flow...
Sure if the rape allegations are proven then they will face jail regardless of their ages and the girl's age.

My post was not apologist, I simply pointed out to the poster who said the girl was 15 that under German law it was possible to have been consensual and so not automatically a crime.

Sure she is at the police but "innocent until proven guilty" still applies even in these cases.

So if the accused are "men" because of their ages then is someone who is over the age of consent still a girl?
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And if your ex-boyfriend rapes you and shares you with his friends, that's OK?
Where did anyone even remotely say that?
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Trolling again?

No insight from you as to your view of the article I quoted.
You wish to imply that the severity of this crime is lessened because the girl was one whole year over the age of consent?! And then you accuse ME of trolling?!

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Ah good, you finally got it!

Minor matter I was posting about migrants not refugees but do not let facts confuse you.

Positive news the %ge of working age refugees in work is trending towards 36% at year end. This is excellent when you consider refugees are fleeing for their lives, not looking for work and often do not have suitable skills.

Anyway it would be a nice change from your usual negative and depressing posts if you were to offer an alternative and practical solution to the problem of funding future old age pensions. This is a rhetorical question I know it is above your skill level!
Again you make the mistake of confusing stats and figures (which btw in no way support your argument - 64% still unemployed and those that are in "employment" are still reliant on the State), with very real social cost of trying to manage 1.5 million uneducated wanderlings who have entered the country.

Practical solution to Germany's demographic problems? Stop studying until you're 35, stop putting so much emphasis on qualifications that you don't need, take more responsibility for your own pension and care later in life, stop waiting until you're 40 before trying for kids etc. etc.

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While on the topic one of the new immigration proposals is that when illegal immigrants are well integrated and working then they should be allowed to stay.
I guess that would mean refraining from shagging goats and sheep? Again in Freiburg: Eritrean asylum seeker arrested in Germany after several sexual assaults, DNA evidence also shows he had also sexually abused sheep and goats. Teachers, engineers, doctors...

Polizei nimmt mutmaßlichen Sexualstraftäter in Freiburg fest
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You wish to imply that the severity of this crime is lessened because the girl was one whole year over the age of consent?! And then you accuse ME of trolling?!
Did you actually read the article? And did you read baboon's post?

It's not a case of "implying the severity of the crime is lessened". That's irrelevant. You are going off half-cocked because you are assuming too much without actually engaging with the facts of the article.
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an alternative and practical solution to the problem of funding future old age pensions.
Up-skill people who are on unemployment, make it easier for women to work, adopt policies for increasing birth rate, things like that.....but then you would say this is too conservative a policy and immediately dismiss it. That is not to say not accepting immigrants or refugees. Not at all.

Seriously, arguing with far left is very similar to arguing with far right. Futile. :-)
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Did you actually read the article? And did you read baboon's post?

It's not a case of "implying the severity of the crime is lessened". That's irrelevant. You are going off half-cocked because you are assuming too much without actually engaging with the facts of the article.
Explain to me what the age of consent has to do with a rape. Take your time.
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Seriously, arguing with far left is very similar to arguing with far right. Futile. :-)
Marton isn't far left though, he's just a weirdo.
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Explain to me what the age of consent has to do with a rape. Take your time.
You are still missing the point. I'm not talking about the age of anything.

Have you read the article yet?
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Old 31.10.2018, 14:45
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You wish to imply that the severity of this crime is lessened because the girl was one whole year over the age of consent?! And then you accuse ME of trolling?!

Again you make the mistake of confusing stats and figures (which btw in no way support your argument - 64% still unemployed and those that are in "employment" are still reliant on the State), with very real social cost of trying to manage 1.5 million uneducated wanderlings who have entered the country.

Practical solution to Germany's demographic problems? Stop studying until you're 35, stop putting so much emphasis on qualifications that you don't need, take more responsibility for your own pension and care later in life, stop waiting until you're 40 before trying for kids etc. etc.

I guess that would mean refraining from shagging goats and sheep? Again in Freiburg: Eritrean asylum seeker arrested in Germany after several sexual assaults, DNA evidence also shows he had also sexually abused sheep and goats. Teachers, engineers, doctors...

Polizei nimmt mutmaßlichen Sexualstraftäter in Freiburg fest
"You wish to imply that the severity of this crime is lessened because the girl was one whole year over the age of consent?!" Do not put false words in my mouth and not for the first time.
I posted "I simply pointed out to the poster who said the girl was 15 that under German law it was possible to have been consensual and so not automatically a crime."

"DNA evidence also shows he had also sexually abused sheep and goats. Teachers, engineers, doctors..." Do teachers have specific DNA?

Nice of you to worry about German social costs without, as usual, providing any evidence. Anyway Germany has one of the world's most successful economies so what is your point?
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Marton isn't far left though, he's just a weirdo.
You're thirty something and he's...I don't know, probably sixty something. C'mon Loz, a bit of decency. I know it's sooooo tempting to say exactly what you think exactly when you think it, but it is not nice.

Btw, if I ever said that I would have been put instantly to "my place"....luckily you're British...still not nice though.

And btw, I still believe his political views are leaning towards that end of the spectrum.
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Nice of you to worry about German social costs without, as usual, providing any evidence. Anyway Germany has one of the world's most successful economies so what is your point?
You’ve just missed it.

Far right populists on the rise, SPD fast becoming insignificant, protests on the streets across the country... “no evidence”.

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And btw, I still believe his political views are leaning towards that end of the spectrum.
Climate change denier yer know.
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Old 31.10.2018, 14:55
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Explain to me what the age of consent has to do with a rape. Take your time.
If an under 14 year old girl in Germany has sex then it is automatically a crime.

Hope this helps.
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You are still missing the point. I'm not talking about the age of anything.

Have you read the article yet?
From the horses mouth

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""I simply pointed out to the poster who said the girl was 15 that under German law it was possible to have been consensual and so not automatically a crime."
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