The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Right so you don't think the average person is not concerned about climate change, human rights etc..... pretty poor view of your fellow citizens, don't you think?

Poor, but correct.

Tom

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Right so you don't think the average person is not concerned about climate change, human rights etc..... pretty poor view of your fellow citizens, don't you think?

Nice strawman you've got there. Mind you don't let any French roofers near it...

[SponPlague]

They have a bad choice of spokespeople: the guy who stormed off Sky news jets on holiday all over the world, apparently, and Emma Thompson just jetted in from California!

[pilatus1]

How does this work?

What do all these climate protests have to do with Brexit?

	Quote:	lewton
	Whatever percentage of the vote Farage ends up receiving, that is the percentage of British people that want to see Hard Brexit. I don't understand why hard-core Brexiteers like Loz would be happy with a projected 30-35%, that clearly means that the majority do not want Hard Brexit.

Not at all, there are people who will vote Tory and Labour who also want a hard Brexit.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	What do all these climate protests have to do with Brexit?

They seem to know how to make a protest, unlike the Sunderland bunch wandering the wilderness...

[Jim2007]

Has anyone actually read the BREXIT Party's policy on BREXIT? If they are serious about it, it looks like a Norwegian style deal it will be.

[SponPlague]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	What do all these climate protests have to do with Brexit?

Example: the EU’s 2009 Renewable Energy Directive (RED) promoting Palm Oil resulted in mass deforestation as highlighted by Sir David Attenborough last week. They now plan to do something about this eco-disaster, albeit with loopholes, by 2030.

http://climate.org/eu-promotion-of-p...ls-set-to-end/

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	SponPlague
	Example: the EU’s 2009 Renewable Energy Directive (RED) promoting Palm Oil resulted in mass deforestation as highlighted by Sir David Attenborough last week. They now plan to do something about this eco-disaster, albeit with loopholes, by 2030. http://climate.org/eu-promotion-of-p...ls-set-to-end/

Rubbish, this had nothing to do with people’s opinions on voting either way.

[SponPlague]

People have been campaigning on the EU’s environmental record for decades - even Tony Blair before his damascene conversion said “it had destroyed natural resources and cost jobs”.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	SponPlague
	People have been campaigning on the EU’s environmental record for decades - even Tony Blair before his damascene conversion said “it had destroyed natural resources and cost jobs”.

Gives us a reference to a single instance of someone arguing for or against BREXIT on the basis of climate change.

[SponPlague]

https://www.desmog.co.uk/brexit-climate-deniers.

As for specific people, I for one did when I stood for parliament in 1997, 2001 and 2005...

[Blueangel]

So did you stand on a ukip ticket as a climate science denier?

[SponPlague]

On an UKIP ticket as an, in part, “EU policies are bad for the environment” messenger.

It helped that in 2001 the election had to be delayed due to a foot-and-mouth outbreak.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001...mouth_outbreak

	Quote:
	Britain's last outbreak had been in 1967, and had been confined to a small area of the country. The Northumberland report issued after the 1967 outbreak had identified that speed was the key to stopping a future outbreak. When identified, animals should be slaughtered on the spot that same day, and the carcasses buried in quicklime. In 1980, foot and mouth treatment policy passed from the hands of the UK Government to the European level as a result of European Community directive, 85/511. This set out procedures, such as protection and "surveillance zones", the confirmation of diagnosis by laboratory testing and that actions had to be consulted with the EU and its Standing Veterinary Committee. An earlier directive, 80/68, on the protection of groundwater gave powers to the Environment Agency to prohibit farm burials and the use of quicklime unless the site was authorised by the Agency. Since the 1967 outbreak, there had also been significant changes in farming methods. The closure of many local abattoirs meant that animals for slaughter were now being transported greater distances.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Powerless to enact any change, which is the point

The same applies to every policitcal party in CH. You'd be the first to call them powerless though.

[marton]

	Quote:	SponPlague
	Example: the EU’s 2009 Renewable Energy Directive (RED) promoting Palm Oil resulted in mass deforestation as highlighted by Sir David Attenborough last week. They now plan to do something about this eco-disaster, albeit with loopholes, by 2030. http://climate.org/eu-promotion-of-p...ls-set-to-end/

What is your point?

Are you claiming the UK did not vote for EU’s 2009 Renewable Energy Directive (RED)
Or are you claiming after Brexit the UK will abandon their (RED) goals?
Do you have evidence for these?

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	SponPlague
	https://www.desmog.co.uk/brexit-climate-deniers. As for specific people, I for one did when I stood for parliament in 1997, 2001 and 2005...

So you have not got a single actual link, just your interpretation to suit your agenda. No doubt these people have been in the past associated with all kinds stuff that we can now conclude based on your reasoning to be reasons for BREXIT.

[SponPlague]

	Quote:	marton
	What is your point? Are you claiming the UK did not vote for EU’s 2009 Renewable Energy Directive (RED) Or are you claiming after Brexit the UK will abandon their (RED) goals? Do you have evidence for these?

After Brexit, the UK would have the option of exploring alternatives.

My point remains that any discussion about the benefits or otherwise of EU membership necessarily includes climate change, man-made or otherwise.

[Blueangel]

Crikey!
Another one that doesn't understand that the EU sets minimum requirements, and that each member state is totally free to exceed said requirements. Scapegoat mentality