The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

But chlorinated chicken!

Chicken meat rife with antibiotic-resistant superbugs

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	But chlorinated chicken! Chicken meat rife with antibiotic-resistant superbugs

Just another reason not to buy German meat!

Tom

[bigblue2]

	Quote:	SponPlague
	Agreed. In some areas the standards are good, but in others not so - for example, I read that the British standard on cladding would have prevented Grenfell - but it was the lesser, mandatory EU one they tested to. It is arguable, as per the post above, that on balance, the benefits of leaving outweigh the benefits of remaining...

total crap!! the cladding used on Grenfell was installed with an air gap, totally against the manufacturers instructions, if the cladding was in any way at fault don't you think that company would be nailed to a cross by now??

using the absolute cheapest materials and installing them incorrectly has nothing to do with EU or UK standards, its about stupidity, and that you can't legislate for, which is a shame as the UK is awash with it.

	Quote:	SponPlague
	Agreed. In some areas the standards are good, but in others not so - for example, I read that the British standard on cladding would have prevented Grenfell - but it was the lesser, mandatory EU one they tested to. It is arguable, as per the post above, that on balance, the benefits of leaving outweigh the benefits of remaining...

As usual the vague "I read....". I presume some more Kipper / Daily Mail propaganda you have read.

The truth was much more complex and more down to application of standards and understanding testing. See https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43558186 for some actual facts.

But you keep to your fantasy world where the EU is the source of all evil.

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	But chlorinated chicken! Chicken meat rife with antibiotic-resistant superbugs

Don't eat it raw or feed it raw to animals!!

	Quote:	Loz1983
	But chlorinated chicken! Chicken meat rife with antibiotic-resistant superbugs

Really not sure what point you're trying to make here.

In favour of chlorinated chicken? You realise that chlorine washing fails to remove harmful bacteria, don't you?

Antibiotic use? The US uses an average 3 times more antibiotics on chickens than the EU. Sure, the EU needs much higher standards. But I'm still grateful we are protected from the lack of standards we see in the US.

Not bothered about antibiotic resistance? Killing an estimated 30,000 people in the EU per year now. Think on that when you next need an operation.

[SponPlague]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	But chlorinated chicken! Chicken meat rife with antibiotic-resistant superbugs

https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/food-saf...555618.article

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	According to a report from the Adam Smith Institute (which argues in favour of allowing PRTs), “immersing poultry meat in chlorine dioxide solution of the strength used in the United States reduces prevalence of salmonella from 14% in controls to 2%. EU chicken samples typically have 15-20% salmonella.

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	US regulators are unequivocal: yes, it’s safe. The USDA has approved several antimicrobial rinses for use in poultry processing, including chlorine dioxide, acidified sodium chlorite, trisodium phosphate and peroxyacids, and meat treated with such rinses is considered safe for consumers to eat. And, in fact, their EU colleagues agree. The European food safety regulator EFSA looked at the issue of chlorine treatment and found “chemical substances in poultry are unlikely to pose an immediate or acute health risk for consumers.

	Quote:	SponPlague
	https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/food-saf...555618.article

You realise the Adam Smith institute are an economics organisation and not microbiologists?

For a recent study try this
https://mbio.asm.org/content/9/2/e00540-18.full

Food poisoning cases are estimated at 10 times higher in the US than the UK
https://www.sustainweb.org/news/feb18_US_foodpoisoning/

Isn't salmonella simply destroyed by cooking, though? Educating people to thoroughly cook chicken (in fact IIRC, most pre-packed chicken contains a written instruction to "thoroughly cook") would be much less hassle than dunking it all in a vat of bleach.

The rest is basic food hygiene, same as everything else.

[bigblue2]

its an odd argument, you seem to be arguing FOR chlorine washes, which are only needed due to the almost non-existent animal welfare laws in the usa.

Stop pumping animals full of antibiotics and stop leaving them to live their very sort lives in a totally enclosed barn knee deep in shit and dead birds, and the need to chlorine wash disappears, is that really such a hard concept to grasp??

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	st2lemans
	Just another reason not to buy German meat! Tom

Depending in which test you rely on, poultry available in Switzerland carries antibiotics-resistant bacteria (ESBL) in two of three cases or more often.

Do people still cook chicken? I thought the modern method was to liquidise the raw carcass then suck it through a (reusable) straw.

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	Do people still cook chicken? I thought the modern method was to liquidise the raw carcass then suck it through a (reusable) straw.

A sort of "salmonella smoothie"?

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	A sort of "salmonella smoothie"?

Oooh no! I'd never mix it with fish.

That wouldn't be kosher.

[lewton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	But chlorinated chicken! Chicken meat rife with antibiotic-resistant superbugs

You really want to each chlorinated chicken and the freaking EU is standing on your way, right?

	Quote:	lewton
	You really want to each chlorinated chicken and the freaking EU is standing on your way, right?

Why stop at Chlorine? I want the full gamut of halogenated meatstuffs - I demand some brominated boar and astatinated Angus.

[fatmanfilms]

Interesting Article
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/i...VgAojm-ZKNHIho

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Interesting Article https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/i...VgAojm-ZKNHIho

Jesus, the ‘alternative vote system’ it outlines in the article as if it’s some magical genius solution should have been the ‘standard vote system’ from the get-go.

Interesting that the MP’s voting tendencies mirror the public poll, too, given all the teeth gnashing and hand wringing that the politicians aren’t following the will of the people.

[3Wishes]

Is it just me, or does it seem like the extension to 31 Oct was not such a great idea after all? When the threat of no-deal was lurking, MPs and May seemed motivated to keep talking and keep voting, trying to come to some sort of compromise. Now, there doesn't seem to be any sense of urgency.

	Quote:	3Wishes
	Is it just me, or does it seem like the extension to 31 Oct was not such a great idea after all? When the threat of no-deal was lurking, MPs and May seemed motivated to keep talking and keep voting, trying to come to some sort of compromise. Now, there doesn't seem to be any sense of urgency.

It's not just you.