The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

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	Quote:	amogles
	And anything could happen in a day or two, as Austria has shown.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	I'm still retching at the mere thought of a banana and salted caramel milkshake...eeewwww

Now we know why the guy threw it away. Farage just got in the way, that's all.

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Farage has joined the ranks of such esteemed politicians as:

Carl Benjamin (UKIP, banana)

How does this work?

and Tommy Robinson (twice—vanilla, and flavour unspecified).

How does this work?

Here's Farage's (banana and salted caramel) moment of immortalisation:

How does this work?

Must be all those radicalised Remainers out there.

[aSwissInTheUS]

	Quote:	22 yards
	Quote: And anything could happen in a day or two, as Austria has shown.

May 17, 2019
Der Spiegel and the Süddeutsche Zeitung publish a video (from July 2017 !) , suggesting the now Austrian Vice chancellor (since December 18, 2017) H.C. Strache could offer business contracts in exchange for political support from a woman posing as the niece of a Russian oligarch
https://www.spiegel.de/international...a-1267959.html
https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausla...a-1268059.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibiza_affair

May 18, 2019
Vice chancellor H.C. Strache resigned
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48318195

May 19, 2019
Chancellor Sebastian Kurz calls for a snap election
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48320983

It is not known who is responsible for the video. But it is known that Jan Böhmermann knew about the video at least back in April of this year.
https://www.morgenpost.de/politik/ar...d-Strache.html

[lewton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	The end of this week should be fun.

I am very happy that the LibDems are finally starting to collect a good percentage of the Remainer votes.
Those **** that created the "Change UK thing" ruined every change of a Remainer party winning the election.
In any event, fingers crossed for the LibDems beating Labour for second place!

The way things are now, I will be happy if Farage + UKIP do not get more than 40%. That will mean that Hard Brexit clearly does not have more than 50% of the vote as of now.
41% also means the same but the first digit makes a huge difference psychologically. 41% feels further away to 39% than 39% feels to 35%.

[marton]

Conservative peer Michael Heseltine has had the party whip withdrawn after saying he would vote for the Lib Dems.

The ex-deputy prime minister has said he would not back the Tories in this week's European Parliament elections because of its pro-Brexit stance.

Having the whip taken away means a parliamentarian is effectively expelled from their party and that they must sit in Parliament as an independent until the whip is restored.

The big mess just gets messier.....

[marton]

Uncertain future for populism!

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	Italy's Deputy Prime Minister Matteo Salvini hoped his campaign to take over the European Union would reach a crescendo Saturday afternoon, at a packed rally addressed by many of Europe's far-right leaders, flanked by the city's famous Galleria and Duomo. It didn't work out. The crowd was thin, the rain poured, and locals protested the rally. Then there's Salvini's poll numbers. While Salvini's League tops the polls in Italy, across Europe his alliance is on track to win just 70 of the European Parliament's 751 seats, a number that hasn't budged in the month since he announced his new alliance.

Source

Most troubling for Salvini is a growing scandal in the Austrian far-right Freedom Party which claimed the scalp of Vice Chancellor Heinz-Christian Strache. The Freedom Party is a key member of Salvini's alliance, and the Italian has enjoyed warm relations with the deposed Strache.

Pass the popcorn!

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	marton
	Conservative peer Michael Heseltine has had the party whip withdrawn after saying he would vote for the Lib Dems. The ex-deputy prime minister has said he would not back the Tories in this week's European Parliament elections because of its pro-Brexit stance.

This is absolutely effin disgusting. He made his point perfectly clear on GMB this morning...He's Tory to his last sinew, and more of a Tory than the vast majority of them will ever be, but on this one issue he's more concerned with stopping Brexit.

Soames says it all...

"A really stupid, bovine thing to do."

Conservative MP Sir Nicholas Soames reacts to breaking news that the Tory whip has been removed from Lord Heseltine - after publicly endorsing the Lib Dems.

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/sta...43657239625731


In other news, The Brexit Party has been banned from all future events hosted by the party. Straight out of the Trump handbook?

They claim it's because of an 'incident' at a Leave Means Leave rally 6 weeks ago, but seeing as it comes about 24hrs after Jon Snow's son, historian Dan Snow, cleaimed to have received a Brexit party campaign leaflet inside the envelope containing his European Elections ballot paper, I do wonder...

I wonder if any Brexit Party staff are pooping themselves over the visit from the Electoral Commission tomorrow as part of the investigation into their finances launched today. Nice one Cyclops! (as my OH calls Gordon Brown) https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a4146911.html

[MidfieldGeneral]

	Quote:	22 yards
	Farage has joined the ranks of such esteemed politicians as: Carl Benjamin (UKIP, banana) How does this work? and Tommy Robinson (twice—vanilla, and flavour unspecified). How does this work? Here's Farage's (banana and salted caramel) moment of immortalisation: How does this work? Must be all those radicalised Remainers out there.

It says loads about the parlous state of the left in Britain that "milkshaking" rather than debate is cheered on. Farage is vile but don’t give him an excuse to claim the moral high ground. He is clever and will use this to his advantage.

democratic gains of centuries means strong debate and counter argument and not cheering on milkshaking.

[amogles]

	Quote:	MidfieldGeneral
	It says loads about the parlous state of the left in Britain that "milkshaking" rather than debate is cheered on. Farage is vile but don’t give him an excuse to claim the moral high ground. He is clever and will use this to his advantage. democratic gains of centuries means strong debate and counter argument and not cheering on milkshaking.

I'm not overly concerned about Farage TBH. Once this whole Brexit thing is over and settled he will lose his entire rasion d'etre and, smart or not, he will just fade into the limelight of history books.

More concerning is that the milk shake thing, and the tacit approval and giggling of many, defines it as an acceptable channel of protest which others will feel has been legitimized and is thus OK to be used against whoever disagrees with them. It takes political debate down another notch or two, as if it hasn't already fallen far enough.

In other words, anybody who bemoans the loss of civility in political debate but also defends throwing milkshakes is a hypocrite.

[MusicChick]

	Quote:	amogles
	I'm not overly concerned about Farage TBH. Once this whole Brexit thing is over and settled he will lose his entire rasion d'etre and, smart or not, he will just fade into the limelight of history books. More concerning is that the milk shake thing, and the tacit approval and giggling of many, defines it as an acceptable channel of protest which others will feel has been legitimized and is thus OK to be used against whoever disagrees with them. It takes political debate down another notch or two, as if it hasn't already fallen far enough. In other words, anybody who bemoans the loss of civility in political debate but also defends throwing milkshakes is a hypocrite.

I think you would have a point there if politics were set to fight hypocrisy. You expect too much there.

Outrage is useful, it makes people show their true colors and intentions. It discredits. I only mind that people get it too late, they are busy being entertained.

	Quote:	amogles
	I'm not overly concerned about Farage TBH. Once this whole Brexit thing is over and settled he will lose his entire rasion d'etre and, smart or not, he will just fade into the limelight of history books.

Can one fade into the limelight?

	Quote:	MidfieldGeneral
	It says loads about the parlous state of the left in Britain that "milkshaking" rather than debate is cheered on. Farage is vile but don’t give him an excuse to claim the moral high ground. He is clever and will use this to his advantage. democratic gains of centuries means strong debate and counter argument and not cheering on milkshaking.

I agree to a certain extent but don't you think that politics over the last 3-4 years has brought all this on by itself? It's been a ridiculous and never-ending circus of fools and clowns all with a greedy sense of self-interest and zero substance, very little use of truth, facts or sense, and enough scandal to keep a cheesy soap opera in story-lines for decades.

The milkshake thing is only a reincarnation of the egg throwing of yesteryear (John Prescott, anyone?) so it's not exactly original.

The "grown ups" in Westminster are showing no signs of adult debate so the electorate is dragging itself down to match.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:
	I agree to a certain extent but don't you think that politics over the last 3-4 years has brought all this on by itself?

I'll be very interested to see how this court case pans out, if the charges aren't dropped before then. Note that Farage's immediate response referred to the glaring faults in his personal security team.

Some 'feline' reasoning...


https://twitter.com/Number10cat/stat...19126387175426

	Quote:	Blueangel
	I'll be very interested to see how this court case pans out, if the charges aren't dropped before then. Note that Farage's immediate response referred to the glaring faults in his personal security team. Some 'feline' reasoning... Attachment 136845 https://twitter.com/Number10cat/stat...19126387175426

Feline reasoning? More like leftist reasoning - they STILL don’t get the difference between words (in this case metaphoric words) and actions.

There’s nothing interesting to see in how the court case pans out. It’s a clear cut case of assault, recorded on camera and witnessed by dozens. Or do you expect this guy will receive special treatment?

[Mikers]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Feline reasoning? More like leftist reasoning - they STILL don’t get the difference between words (in this case metaphoric words) and actions. There’s nothing interesting to see in how the court case pans out. It’s a clear cut case of assault, recorded on camera and witnessed by dozens. Or do you expect this guy will receive special treatment?

I think they will end the current fad of throwing things at politicians by doing what is normal here: make an example. I predict he'll go to prison - real proper with murderers prison - and then it will stop, because no one wants that for themselves.

A few years ago (prob more than 10) there were some riots in london. This spread a bit and people started rioting in a few other towns. So one bloke "organized" a riot in I think it was cheshire, when he'd come back from the pub pissed and posted "lets wreck the town tommorow 3pm in teh market square" or something like that. in court he said he couldnt even remember logging on.

Anyway he was given 2 years for preparing a riot or whatever the crime is, under the governments instruction to make an example of someone.

After that, funnily enough, no one organized any more riots, on purpose or not.

EDIT: Found the link: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/...order-facebook

it was 4 years!!

[MidfieldGeneral]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Feline reasoning? More like leftist reasoning - they STILL don’t get the difference between words (in this case metaphoric words) and actions. There’s nothing interesting to see in how the court case pans out. It’s a clear cut case of assault, recorded on camera and witnessed by dozens. Or do you expect this guy will receive special treatment?

a milkshake is hardly a dangerous weapon even for a snowflake. as sandgrounder says brits have a tradition of throwing food as a political protest.

anyway his sugar daddy arron banks will pay for his dry cleaning and a hot cup of cocoa to soothe his battered ego.

what's far more dangerous than any £5.50 iced dairy product are the lies and deception Farage and his gang have been spouting the past few years.

[Mikers]

	Quote:	MidfieldGeneral
	what's far more dangerous than any £5.50 iced dairy product are the lies and deception Farage and his gang have been spouting the past few years.

Im not a fan of Brexit, but a bit of fairness is needed: Farage have spouted no more lies and deception than Corbyn, Cameron, May, Cable and any other leading politician you might want to pick.

All politicians lie, most of the time. Some are more charismatic liars than others.

	Quote:	MidfieldGeneral
	what's far more dangerous than any £5.50 iced dairy product are the lies and deception Farage and his gang have been spouting the past few years.

That’s up for debate. What isn’t up for debate is what constitutes assault in the eyes of the law.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	That’s up for debate. What isn’t up for debate is what constitutes assault in the eyes of the law.

How were the eggers dealt with in the past? Ed Milliband seems to be the most recent case of that among MPs / politicians.

Should have googled before posting. Seems it was the grand verdict of nothing.

	Quote:
	The Metropolitan police has told ITV News it will not be making any arrests after Ed Miliband was egged earlier today. A police spokesperson said the Labour leader "did not wish to take the matter any further."

Although it seems to depend on whether the eggee wants to press charges on the egger.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	That’s up for debate. What isn’t up for debate is what constitutes assault in the eyes of the law.

It's battery.


Unless it's free-range.