The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	There’s nothing interesting to see in how the court case pans out. It’s a clear cut case of assault, recorded on camera and witnessed by dozens. Or do you expect this guy will receive special treatment?

That's exactly what I will be looking for to see if he's made an example of.

It's Common Assault which has a maximum sentence of 6mths. The most likely sentence (if the case does get to court) is a conditional discharge and minor fine of under £500 plus the cost of dry cleaning. I don't see any court relishing the prospect of wasting £1,000s of taxpayer's money on such a case, but they will have to be seen to.

The rub will be if the defendant is asked to provide evidence of any provocation.

[marton]

8 of the 10 most active pro-Brexit Party Twitter accounts appear to be bots

	Quote:
	The majority of the most active accounts on Twitter that post messages in support of the U.K.'s Brexit Party show signs of automated activity, leading researchers to believe they are so-called "bot" accounts, according to an investigation. A probe by the Institute for Strategic Discourse first reported by The Mirror found that the Brexit Party, a political group led by former UKIP politician Nigel Farage, benefited far more from automated accounts than did any other political party in Britain.

Source

Sheep led by the nose

	Quote:	marton
	8 of the 10 most active pro-Brexit Party Twitter accounts appear to be bots Source Sheep led by the nose

Two days to go and they’re getting desperate. Still the establishment doesn’t get it. People don’t care how the Brexit party is funded or who runs their Twitter feeds. The result from Thursday’s election will be glorious.

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Two days to go and they’re getting desperate. Still the establishment doesn’t get it. People don’t care how the Brexit party is funded or who runs their Twitter feeds and how they are manipulated by evil forces. The result from Thursday’s election will be glorious.

ftfy; so who is manipulating?
Likely Putin who has the most to gain from a fractured EU.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	marton
	ftfy; so who is manipulating? Likely Putin who has the most to gain from a fractured EU.

The US appear to be a close 2nd. Have you already forgotten what Trump said about NATO and the partners, and that he's even rumoured to have mused about leaving it altogether?

[marton]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	The US appear to be a close 2nd. Have you already forgotten what Trump said about NATO and the partners, and that he's even rumoured to have mused about leaving it altogether?

No, I have also not forgotten how Trump's actions support Putin's policies.

	Quote:	marton
	ftfy; so who is manipulating? Likely Putin who has the most to gain from a fractured EU.

Nothing to do with not delivering on the 2016 vote then?

Like I say, desperate.

[amogles]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	It's battery. Unless it's free-range.

We have been treading on eggshells for too long.

We need to arise and cast aside the yolk of oppression.

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Nothing to do with not delivering on the 2016 vote then? Like I say, desperate.

Ah, the ground keeper moving the goal posts again.

My post was about the number of bots supporting the Brexit party in social media and who is behind that activity; not about the reasons for people supporting the Brexit party or not.

Brexit party support looks to be around 30+% which is an awkward in-between number allowing both sides to say they would win a new referendum?

Certainly will be a disaster for the two main parties.

	Quote:	marton
	Brexit party support looks to be around 30+% which is an awkward in-between number allowing both sides to say they would win a new referendum?

Interesting article about Farage's latest "business venture":

https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...ital-populists

[amogles]

	Quote:	marton
	ftfy; so who is manipulating? Likely Putin who has the most to gain from a fractured EU.

Heinlein's razor. Don't attribute to conspiracy what you can atribute to incompetence.

The UK is presently led by what is probably the most incometent government in living memory. The EU is also led by incompetents, albeit slightly less incompetent than the British ones, and helped by size being on their side.

And it's not Putn's bots who are making May so indecisive or Junker an alcoholic or Verhoffstad a jerk. They did that themselves.

	Quote:	amogles
	Heinlein's razor. Don't attribute to conspiracy what you can attribute to incompetence. The UK is presently led by what is probably the most incompetent government in living memory. The EU is also led by incompetents, albeit slightly less incompetent than the British ones, and helped by size being on their side. And it's not Putin's bots who are making May so indecisive or Junker an alcoholic or Verhoffstad a jerk. They did that themselves.

The scary thing is that there doesn't seem to be a sniff of anyone competent to take over or step in.

Given the chaos and fractured state of it all, it's not too much of a stretch to think that anyone with such a mind to capitalise on the mess would be tempted to help tip it over with the help of bots, etc.

It's just awful to watch.

[YuropFlyer]

	Quote:	amogles
	Heinlein's razor. Don't attribute to conspiracy what you can atribute to incompetence. The UK is presently led by what is probably the most incometent government in living memory. The EU is also led by incompetents, albeit slightly less incompetent than the British ones, and helped by size being on their side. And it's not Putn's bots who are making May so indecisive or Junker an alcoholic or Verhoffstad a jerk. They did that themselves.

Basically, most larger Western gouvernments have either completely terrible or even nuts gouvernments (I'd count the US, Italy, Brasil and the UK into that, but also smaller countries like Hungary), have trouble to actually get their reasonable politics which are long-term based enabled (I'd count France into this category) or simply are so afraid of the next elections they're stuck with zero changes (Germany)

And it's not just western democracies lacking from sane politics. India, as "the worlds biggest democracy", is actually massively hit by it's political system. "Buying votes" by clientel politics is absolutely the norm there. Pushing things which look nice but don't work (or don't work for 99.9%) is keeping a country more back than it pushes it forward. Best example would be their terrible transportation system. Instead of trying to improve it on local or regional levels step by step (something that would make sense and also wouldn't cost the world) they're building a "high speed" (not really, 160km/h afaik) train connection between two single cities.

Unfortunately, democracies are more and more showing they're not the "better system", because they're abused by powerhungry men (or women). Who will use "the will of the people" whenever it's convenient to them, and ignore it completely when it doesn't.

Europe, or better said, the world, has become in it's current status because people aren't long-term thinking. Short term profits, don't think about tomorrow.

And unfortunately democracy as a system seems to be promoting those that think short-term and not long-term.

[marton]

British Steel, Britain's second biggest steel maker collapsed on Wednesday, putting about 5,000 jobs at the company directly at risk, and threatening another 20,000 at suppliers.

It said it suffered because European orders had evaporated due to the uncertainty surrounding Brexit.

Source

Probably first of many

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	marton
	British Steel, Britain's second biggest steel maker collapsed on Wednesday, putting about 5,000 jobs at the company directly at risk, and threatening another 20,000 at suppliers. It said it suffered because European orders had evaporated due to the uncertainty surrounding Brexit. Source Probably first of many

It recently had to pay the EU 100 million, which it borrowed, the fine would have been much larger had it not paid on time.

[SponPlague]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Very funny in that it’s completely counter productive. Very funny in that every milkshake thrown just delivers a load more votes to his party. Very funny until someone gets shot.

Some moron tweeted it should have been acid! https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-48363703

[amogles]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	The US appear to be a close 2nd. Have you already forgotten what Trump said about NATO and the partners, and that he's even rumoured to have mused about leaving it altogether?

Since then Germany has agreed to increase its military spending. And I don't think they would have got there without being pushed.

Obama, for example, would never have been able to do that because nobody would have believed he would have been capable of following up on such a threat.

In the longer term, as people begin to spot the pattern, he won't be able to pull it off indefinitely. But yeah. It worked for now.

So I would say, from Trump's perspective, mission accomplished.

[amogles]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	That's exactly what I will be looking for to see if he's made an example of. It's Common Assault which has a maximum sentence of 6mths. The most likely sentence (if the case does get to court) is a conditional discharge and minor fine of under £500 plus the cost of dry cleaning. I don't see any court relishing the prospect of wasting £1,000s of taxpayer's money on such a case, but they will have to be seen to. The rub will be if the defendant is asked to provide evidence of any provocation.

I'm surprised Farage is actually pressing charges. Going after some little and probably mentally disadvantaged guy and maybe even destroying that guy's life is not going to make him look good or provide any sweet victory he can hang on his trophy wall. An out of court settlement for the costs of a dry cleaners and accepting a formal apology would make Farage look magnanimous while still acting as a deterrent to any copycats.

[lewton]

	Quote:	marton
	British Steel, Britain's second biggest steel maker collapsed on Wednesday, putting about 5,000 jobs at the company directly at risk, and threatening another 20,000 at suppliers. It said it suffered because European orders had evaporated due to the uncertainty surrounding Brexit. Source Probably first of many

Cheers.

[Fish Paste]

	Quote:	amogles
	I'm surprised Farage is actually pressing charges. Going after some little and probably mentally disadvantaged guy and maybe even destroying that guy's life is not going to make him look good or provide any sweet victory he can hang on his trophy wall. An out of court settlement for the costs of a dry cleaners and accepting a formal apology would make Farage look magnanimous while still acting as a deterrent to any copycats.

Sends a message, you can't go around assulting people just because you disagree with them.
I do hope the criminal record does him some damage.