The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[marton]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	The Swiss are not in the EU and can do that all

Exactly! Would the people who voted for Brexit have been satisfied with bilateral agreements that are 90% EU compliant?

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	The Swiss are not in the EU and can do that all

You forgot to mention the inevitable price tag, including FMOP. Incidentally this is part of what Brexiteers want to get rid of.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	You forgot to mention the inevitable price tag, including FMOP. Incidentally this is part of what Brexiteers want to get rid of.

Still, 2 out of 3 of Marton's points will not change after a Brexit and have not much to do with the EU.

[YuropFlyer]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Still, 2 out of 3 of Marton's points will not change after a Brexit and have not much to do with the EU.

Buying European stuff? Sure, with whatever tax you like to slap on. Nothing the EU gotta discuss about.

Making holidays in Europe? Well, for a while this is going to be Visa-free. Once your Economy has taken enough of a tank (possibly not happening enough, since countries 1/4 of UK's GDP per capita have visa-free entry) might be getting trickier.

And working in Europe? I sure hope you're not trying to take any jobs that anyone else in the EU are taking. Cause then you'd not get that permit.

And we're not even discussing selling goods to the EU, which is THE main part..

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	The Swiss are not in the EU and can do that all

If you don’t understand Switzerland’s position vis via the EU it is way past time you educated yourself. And in particular the fact that EU will never consider such agreements again and are trying hard to retire the ones they have with Switzerland.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	If you don’t understand Switzerland’s position vis via the EU it is way past time you educated yourself. And in particular the fact that EU will never consider such agreements again and are trying hard to retire the ones they have with Switzerland.

You take yourself way too serious again.

[John William]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	The Swiss are not in the EU and can do that all

Yes but we all know what JRM & the hard line Brexiteers will always say about the Swiss option or the Norway option;
that there's a price to pay for that because in their eyes they are Vassal States of the EU, from being rule
takers rather than rule makers.

[lewton]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	The Swiss are not in the EU and can do that all

News of the day: k_and_e supports soft Brexit.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	You take yourself way too serious again.

You made a statement that is factual incorrect and that is your best response... obviously you are not to be taken seriously then.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	You made a statement that is factual incorrect and that is your best response... obviously you are not to be taken seriously then.

So, which part is incorrect?

Living, working and retiring in Europe? - yes, Switzerland is in Europe. And as there is free movement, they can also work and live in the EU.
European holidays? - I have to admit you are right here and I am indeed factual incorrect: Swiss indeed require a visa for the European country Russia.
Buying stuff like German cars, Belgian beers, French cheese? - the local BMW dealer was still open yesterday (I have to admit that didn't try to buy a car as this is something I don't do every Saturday, so I might be wrong), I've seen french cheese in the supermarket but have to admit that I didn't check for Belgian beer.

[marton]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	So, which part is incorrect? Living, working and retiring in Europe? - yes, Switzerland is in Europe. And as there is free movement, they can also work and live in the EU. European holidays? - I have to admit you are right here and I am indeed factual incorrect: Swiss indeed require a visa for the European country Russia. Buying stuff like German cars, Belgian beers, French cheese? - the local BMW dealer was still open yesterday (I have to admit that didn't try to buy a car as this is something I don't do every Saturday, so I might be wrong), I've seen french cheese in the supermarket but have to admit that I didn't check for Belgian beer.

You do know the topic here is Brexit?

I was talking about the UK

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	marton
	You do know the topic here is Brexit? I was talking about the UK

I know, but Jim referred to my post. What that UK can do after Brexit is written in the stars, assuming that they will ever find a PM that makes Brexit happen at all.

So the first exit polls are coming in. As expected, far left and far right parties doing well. Social democrats getting smashed. Nationalists making progress.

Official UK results coming in from 11, confident still in my prediction so will pin it here.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	The Brexit Party to clean up. Tories won’t break double figures. Lib Dem’s to do well. Change UK to die before they begin. And Corbyn to come out and blame Labour’s poor showing on austerity and a lack of diversity at community centres.

[Troublawesome]

First results are in: Brexit Party 31.7%, Labour 15.8% (-12.7%), Liberal Democrats 19.9%(+12.8%), Green 11.2%(+3.9%), Convervatives 8.1%(-13.3%)

Conservatives slaughtered which is understandable but the biggest loser of those elections is Labour. If you drop 12.7% against this shambles of a government and PM like May you're definitely going to be way worse against any half-wit that follows.
With these numbers, a GE is justified. Tory being the 6th party in votes hasn't happened since their start in 1834 I think

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	First results are in:

Where?

LD have beat Labour in JC's Islington constituency.
Edit: My mistake.... the Islington constituency includes parts of the UK parliamentary constituencies of Corbyn, Emily Thornberry and Kier Starmer.

[John William]

Latest forecasts from the BBC say that only 37 per cent of UK electorate bothered to cast their vote
in the British European Parliamentary elections !!

Meanwhile - LibDems win London !!

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	Tory being the 6th party in votes hasn't happened since their start in 1834 I think

Sorry to be pedantic, but the Conservative party was formed from the Tory Party in 1834. Roughly (and off the top of my head) it used to be Tories and Whigs, but they evolved into the Conservatives (Robert Peel) and Liberals, then Labour were the new kids on the block in 1900.

Looking like my beloved Manchester has swung away from Brexit. Here's hoping ...

[greenmount]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	You take yourself way too serious again.

And you are trolling this thread again....

[fatmanfilms]

I’m so confused. I heard so many people saying that the mood of the country had changed away from Brexit since the referendum because The Brexiteers were too stupid at the time to realise what was going on. Well, where are you all NOW? I think we’ve just seen precisely the reverse message?

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I’m so confused. I heard so many people saying that the mood of the country had changed away from Brexit since the referendum because The Brexiteers were too stupid at the time to realise what was going on. Well, where are you all NOW? I think we’ve just seen precisely the reverse message?

Allow me: *clears throat* “but the combined total of Lib Dem’s, Change UK, Green, flying unicorn party beat the Brexit party! This is clearly and mandate to revoke art 50! And the turnout, don’t forget turnout!!”