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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
Voters: 212. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 25.05.2019, 21:19
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The Swiss are not in the EU and can do that all
Exactly! Would the people who voted for Brexit have been satisfied with bilateral agreements that are 90% EU compliant?
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Old 25.05.2019, 21:23
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The Swiss are not in the EU and can do that all
You forgot to mention the inevitable price tag, including FMOP. Incidentally this is part of what Brexiteers want to get rid of.
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Old 25.05.2019, 23:04
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You forgot to mention the inevitable price tag, including FMOP. Incidentally this is part of what Brexiteers want to get rid of.
Still, 2 out of 3 of Marton's points will not change after a Brexit and have not much to do with the EU.
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Old 25.05.2019, 23:51
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Still, 2 out of 3 of Marton's points will not change after a Brexit and have not much to do with the EU.
Buying European stuff? Sure, with whatever tax you like to slap on. Nothing the EU gotta discuss about.

Making holidays in Europe? Well, for a while this is going to be Visa-free. Once your Economy has taken enough of a tank (possibly not happening enough, since countries 1/4 of UK's GDP per capita have visa-free entry) might be getting trickier.

And working in Europe? I sure hope you're not trying to take any jobs that anyone else in the EU are taking. Cause then you'd not get that permit.

And we're not even discussing selling goods to the EU, which is THE main part..
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Old 26.05.2019, 00:54
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The Swiss are not in the EU and can do that all
If you don’t understand Switzerland’s position vis via the EU it is way past time you educated yourself. And in particular the fact that EU will never consider such agreements again and are trying hard to retire the ones they have with Switzerland.
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Old 26.05.2019, 09:37
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If you don’t understand Switzerland’s position vis via the EU it is way past time you educated yourself. And in particular the fact that EU will never consider such agreements again and are trying hard to retire the ones they have with Switzerland.
You take yourself way too serious again.
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Old 26.05.2019, 10:12
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The Swiss are not in the EU and can do that all
Yes but we all know what JRM & the hard line Brexiteers will always say about the Swiss option or the Norway option;
that there's a price to pay for that because in their eyes they are Vassal States of the EU, from being rule
takers rather than rule makers.
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Old 26.05.2019, 10:31
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The Swiss are not in the EU and can do that all
News of the day: k_and_e supports soft Brexit.
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Old 26.05.2019, 11:44
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You take yourself way too serious again.
You made a statement that is factual incorrect and that is your best response... obviously you are not to be taken seriously then.
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Old 26.05.2019, 12:06
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You made a statement that is factual incorrect and that is your best response... obviously you are not to be taken seriously then.
So, which part is incorrect?

Living, working and retiring in Europe? - yes, Switzerland is in Europe. And as there is free movement, they can also work and live in the EU.
European holidays? - I have to admit you are right here and I am indeed factual incorrect: Swiss indeed require a visa for the European country Russia.
Buying stuff like German cars, Belgian beers, French cheese? - the local BMW dealer was still open yesterday (I have to admit that didn't try to buy a car as this is something I don't do every Saturday, so I might be wrong), I've seen french cheese in the supermarket but have to admit that I didn't check for Belgian beer.
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Old 26.05.2019, 12:09
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So, which part is incorrect?

Living, working and retiring in Europe? - yes, Switzerland is in Europe. And as there is free movement, they can also work and live in the EU.
European holidays? - I have to admit you are right here and I am indeed factual incorrect: Swiss indeed require a visa for the European country Russia.
Buying stuff like German cars, Belgian beers, French cheese? - the local BMW dealer was still open yesterday (I have to admit that didn't try to buy a car as this is something I don't do every Saturday, so I might be wrong), I've seen french cheese in the supermarket but have to admit that I didn't check for Belgian beer.
You do know the topic here is Brexit?

I was talking about the UK
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Old 26.05.2019, 12:23
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You do know the topic here is Brexit?

I was talking about the UK
I know, but Jim referred to my post. What that UK can do after Brexit is written in the stars, assuming that they will ever find a PM that makes Brexit happen at all.
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Old 26.05.2019, 22:20
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So the first exit polls are coming in. As expected, far left and far right parties doing well. Social democrats getting smashed. Nationalists making progress.

Official UK results coming in from 11, confident still in my prediction so will pin it here.

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The Brexit Party to clean up. Tories won’t break double figures. Lib Dem’s to do well. Change UK to die before they begin. And Corbyn to come out and blame Labour’s poor showing on austerity and a lack of diversity at community centres.
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First results are in: Brexit Party 31.7%, Labour 15.8% (-12.7%), Liberal Democrats 19.9%(+12.8%), Green 11.2%(+3.9%), Convervatives 8.1%(-13.3%)

Conservatives slaughtered which is understandable but the biggest loser of those elections is Labour. If you drop 12.7% against this shambles of a government and PM like May you're definitely going to be way worse against any half-wit that follows.
With these numbers, a GE is justified. Tory being the 6th party in votes hasn't happened since their start in 1834 I think
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Old 27.05.2019, 00:02
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First results are in:
Where?

LD have beat Labour in JC's Islington constituency.
Edit: My mistake.... the Islington constituency includes parts of the UK parliamentary constituencies of Corbyn, Emily Thornberry and Kier Starmer.
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Latest forecasts from the BBC say that only 37 per cent of UK electorate bothered to cast their vote
in the British European Parliamentary elections !!

Meanwhile - LibDems win London !!
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Tory being the 6th party in votes hasn't happened since their start in 1834 I think
Sorry to be pedantic, but the Conservative party was formed from the Tory Party in 1834. Roughly (and off the top of my head) it used to be Tories and Whigs, but they evolved into the Conservatives (Robert Peel) and Liberals, then Labour were the new kids on the block in 1900.

Looking like my beloved Manchester has swung away from Brexit. Here's hoping ...
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Old 27.05.2019, 05:58
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You take yourself way too serious again.
And you are trolling this thread again....
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I’m so confused. I heard so many people saying that the mood of the country had changed away from Brexit since the referendum because The Brexiteers were too stupid at the time to realise what was going on. Well, where are you all NOW? I think we’ve just seen precisely the reverse message?
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I’m so confused. I heard so many people saying that the mood of the country had changed away from Brexit since the referendum because The Brexiteers were too stupid at the time to realise what was going on. Well, where are you all NOW? I think we’ve just seen precisely the reverse message?
Allow me: *clears throat* “but the combined total of Lib Dem’s, Change UK, Green, flying unicorn party beat the Brexit party! This is clearly and mandate to revoke art 50! And the turnout, don’t forget turnout!!”
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