The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[lewton]

Pathetic 32% for the Brexit party. +5 points on the 2014 result.

Farage has reason to celebrate as it is clear that people will vote against Brexit in a potential second vote, thus his EU salary will keep coming into his bank account for years to come.

[lewton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Allow me: *clears throat* “but the combined total of Lib Dem’s, Change UK, Green, flying unicorn party beat the Brexit party! This is clearly and mandate to revoke art 50! And the turnout, don’t forget turnout!!”

If you believe that people still want Brexit (and a Hard Brexit of all possibilities) then why are you so scared of a people's vote?

	Quote:	lewton
	Pathetic 32% for the Brexit party. +5 points on the 2014 result. Farage has reason to celebrate as it is clear that people will vote against Brexit in a potential second vote, thus his EU salary will keep coming into his bank account for years to come.

A Party that is 6 weeks old now has more seats in the EU Parliament than any other party in the whole of the EU. Pathetic

	Quote:	lewton
	If you believe that people still want Brexit (and a Hard Brexit of all possibilities) then why are you so scared of a people's vote?

The only reason I don’t want a “people’s vote” is because I’m aware of the damage it’ll do to what passes as a democracy in the UK. Were one to be held I’m confident that Leave would win again, only this time by a greater margin.

[dawiz]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	A Party that is 6 weeks old now has more seats in the EU Parliament than any other party in the whole of the EU. Pathetic The only reason I don’t want a “people’s vote” is because I’m aware of the damage it’ll do to what passes as a democracy in the UK. Were one to be held I’m confident that Leave would win again, only this time by a greater margin.

Well, if we face the democratic truth here: there has never been a vote. There has been a legally non-binding referendum. Speaking about democracy in the UK is like speaking of freedom of press in Hungary.

The result of the EU elections has, on many levels, been more indicative of the people’s will than the referendum. It’s clear that the people want out and as fast as possible. The same goes for the EU as a whole, btw: people want the UK to pack up and leave. So please UK: go and get this over with.

[lewton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	A Party that is 6 weeks old now has more seats in the EU Parliament than any other party in the whole of the EU. Pathetic

Not pathetic result for the party. For the party it is an awesome result.
But it is pathetic for the "cause" of Brexit as it shows that only 32% of the British public want Hard Brexit.

[NotAllThere]

UK Results.

Turnout 37% - 18.5M
Brexit Party 32% - 5.9M
Lib Dem 19% - 3.5M
Labour - 14% - 2.6M
Green - 11% - 2.0M
Conservative - 9% - 1.7M
SNP - 3% - 0.6M

[dawiz]

	Quote:	lewton
	Not pathetic result for the party. For the party it is an awesome result. But it is pathetic for the "cause" of Brexit as it shows that only 32% of the British public want Hard Brexit.

Uh no. 32% percent want to leave immediately, the rest voted for a variety of Hail Mary parties, each with different plans on Brexit. The vote was extremely clear actually.

[omtatsat]

The EU is doomed to collapse anyhow. A centralized government for Europe failed in the past and will fail again.

[dawiz]

	Quote:	omtatsat
	The EU is doomed to collapse anyhow. A centralized government for Europe failed in the past and will fail again.

You’re the perfect SVP voter!

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	dawiz
	Uh no. 32% percent want to leave immediately, the rest voted for a variety of Hail Mary parties, each with different plans on Brexit. The vote was extremely clear actually.

LD, Green SNP and CHUK are absolutely clear. Only labour are unclear.

[Rob]

https://newsthump.com/2019/05/27/nig...o-deal-brexit/

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	The only reason I don’t want a “people’s vote” is because I’m aware of the damage it’ll do to what passes as a democracy in the UK. Were one to be held I’m confident that Leave would win again, only this time by a greater margin.

Why would a confirmed Brexit vote do damage? I'd think quite the contrary as it would legitimize the tiny overweight for Brexit.

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	A Party that is 6 weeks old now has more seats in the EU Parliament than any other party in the whole of the EU. Pathetic The only reason I don’t want a “people’s vote” is because I’m aware of the damage it’ll do to what passes as a democracy in the UK. Were one to be held I’m confident that Leave would win again, only this time by a greater margin.

Interesting chart from the BBC here, not what I expected to see?

[Mikers]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	Why would a confirmed Brexit vote do damage? I'd think quite the contrary as it would legitimize the tiny overweight for Brexit.

A re-vote has too much risk. Good results:

If leave win by a bigger margin - good, lets leave. its unlikely though. Good in terms of democracy, not in terms of UK btw.

But:

Leave win by same margin: Same arguments as before.
Leave win by lower margin (51-49) - even worse arguments than before.
Remain win by lower margin (51-49) - not taken as democratic by leavers using argument its smaller than before.
Remain win by higher margin on higher turnout - Remain say "right its now settled", leave want another vote.
Remain win by higher margin on lower turnout - Leave will say its undemocratic because remain complained about turnout first time round.

You could go on and on. The first vote has to be implemented, for democracy to continue, only then can you have another referendum in a few years which may result in us rejoining.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	dawiz
	You’re the perfect SVP voter!

He should try to get in the party, you know - the proper way - pay his contribution to the cause etc. I don't know if I should cry or laugh more - an Australian turned Swiss turned anti-EU and anti-European roaming freely in the online fora like the hundreds of trolls that all these new far right wing and nationalist parties have realised in the ether to bug us all.
Oh, human nature. If something will hit Terra in the next 20 years, I'd say it's no loss.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	Mikers
	If leave win by a bigger margin - good, lets leave. its unlikely though. Good in terms of democracy, not in terms of UK btw.

Loz disagrees, I'd like to hear his reasoning. He says a re-poll would do damage even though he believes the outcome is clear and would be a clearer win for Leave.

	Quote:	marton
	Interesting chart from the BBC here, not what I expected to see? Attachment 136873

Remarkable, these elections have completely redefined what it takes to win an election. From this day forth let it be known that you may add your votes to as many other parties as you wish in order to claim a comprehensive victory.

Bravo Change UK!

	Quote:	Urs Max
	Loz disagrees, I'd like to hear his reasoning. He says a re-poll would do damage even though he believes the outcome is clear and would be a clearer win for Leave.

Below is basically why I believe having a second vote would do damage to democracy. Have a second vote and I’ll demand a third if I don’t like the result.

	Quote:	Mikers
	You could go on and on. The first vote has to be implemented, for democracy to continue, only then can you have another referendum in a few years which may result in us rejoining.

[SponPlague]

	Quote:	marton
	PM has to be Rowan Atkinson!

Fun fact: Rowan’s brother came within 15 votes of the leadership of UKIP!

[SponPlague]

	Quote:	YuropFlyer
	Buying European stuff? Sure, with whatever tax you like to slap on. Nothing the EU gotta discuss about.

I got Bowmore whisky here for my father’s birthday cheaper than I could back in Scotland!