The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

	Quote:	Blueangel
	For anyone delusional enough to believe that Farage and the Brexit Party give a flying fig about democracy, there's a little video you might enjoy. Attachment 136884 https://twitter.com/Channel4News/sta...73859170836480

Every time you think satire is dead, it reanimates just to be killed in a more ludicrous way.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	For anyone delusional enough to believe that Farage and the Brexit Party give a flying fig about democracy, there's a little video you might enjoy. Attachment 136884 https://twitter.com/Channel4News/sta...73859170836480

The party is 6 weeks old. When was Change UK’s leadership contest?

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	The party is 6 weeks old. When was Change UK’s leadership contest?

Are you really missing the point here? TBP might have 'party' in it's name, but it doesn't have a membership.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Are you really missing the point here? TBP might have 'party' in it's name, but it doesn't have a membership.

Nigel Farage's Brexit Party closes in on Tories as supporter registrations surge through the 100,000 mark

[marton]

Brexit tidbits today

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	Alastair Campbell expelled by Labour after backing Lib Dems at European elections

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	Jean-Claude Juncker dismisses Tory leadership hopefuls' boasts of renegotiating Brexit deal

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	Labour has been placed under formal investigation by the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) watchdog over whether the party has unlawfully discriminated against, harassed or victimised people because they are Jewish.

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	Jeremy Corbyn has pledged to support a second referendum on any Brexit deal after the Labour leadership

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Nigel Farage's Brexit Party closes in on Tories as supporter registrations surge through the 100,000 mark

Loz quoting the fake news media

Probably fake numbers

[Blueangel]

They're supporters not members. Huge difference.

[marton]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	They're supporters not members. Huge difference.

According to the Brexit party web site as a registered supporter (£25) your rights and privileges consist of receiving promotional emails.
Nothing about voting in the executive or selecting MEP candidates; also nothing about membership options.

Also nothing about goals, objectives, policy, strategy or even a manifesto!

Basically as a registered supporter you send them your money and they spend it on whatever they like.

No wonder some people believe Brexit supporters are not the brightest lights on the tree.

[Mikers]

	Quote:	marton
	No wonder some people believe Brexit supporters are not the brightest lights on the tree.

And there you go again: if you support leave your thick. Why not throw in a ‘racist’ dig while your at it ? It’ll certainly make your leave supporter reading this even more determined to vote leave, which I assume is your intention.

[marton]

	Quote:	Mikers
	And there you go again: if you support leave your thick. Why not throw in a ‘racist’ dig while your at it ? It’ll certainly make your leave supporter reading this even more determined to vote leave, which I assume is your intention.

No, my intention was to alert anyone considering registering as a Brexit supporter that they will have no control over what happens to their money, no influence over who is appointed to manage their money and, unlike all other parties, no say in selecting MEP candidates.

Sorry you did not understand that.

[Mikers]

	Quote:	marton
	No, my intention was to alert anyone considering registering as a Brexit supporter that they will have no control over what happens to their money, no influence over who is appointed to manage their money and, unlike all other parties, no say in selecting MEP candidates. Sorry you did not understand that.

I’d do a bit of homework on the topic of sarcasm Marton if I were you.

A good tip is when explaining principles such as those above don’t add ‘that’s why leavers aren’t the brightest lights on the tree’ as the signing off statement. You might not realize it but this comes across as sneering superiority, something I’m quite sure you didn’t intend, that wouldn’t be like you at all.

[amogles]

	Quote:	marton
	According to the Brexit party web site as a registered supporter (£25) your rights and privileges consist of receiving promotional emails. Nothing about voting in the executive or selecting MEP candidates; also nothing about membership options. Also nothing about goals, objectives, policy, strategy or even a manifesto! Basically as a registered supporter you send them your money and they spend it on whatever they like. No wonder some people believe Brexit supporters are not the brightest lights on the tree.

It doesn’t make it any better of course but there are many organizations out there operating on that principle. Compact, move on, etc
etc.

All based on the assumption that it’s better to let experts decide because populism

[marton]

	Quote:	Mikers
	I’d do a bit of homework on the topic of sarcasm Marton if I were you. A good tip is when explaining principles such as those above don’t add ‘that’s why leavers aren’t the brightest lights on the tree’ as the signing off statement. You might not realize it but this comes across as sneering superiority, something I’m quite sure you didn’t intend, that wouldn’t be like you at all.

When 100,000 people sign up for something and send their money to an organisation that has no published rules about what happens to their money then one thinks of P. T. Barnum, an American showman of the mid-19th century, who is alleged to have said "There's a sucker born every minute".

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Mikers
	A good tip is when explaining principles such as those above don’t add ‘that’s why leavers aren’t the brightest lights on the tree’ as the signing off statement. You might not realize it but this comes across as sneering superiority,...

...vs what marton actually posted...

	Quote:	marton
	No wonder some people believe Brexit supporters are not the brightest lights on the tree.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	The party is 6 weeks old. When was Change UK’s leadership contest?

Nothing like resorting to whataboutery to defend your position, eh, Loz?

[Mikers]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	...vs what marton actually posted...

AND I’ve used lower case ‘l’ and marton started his sentence with an upper case ‘N’ So you can get me for that as well! I’ll give you a shout if I ever need to get out of a Speeding ticket on a technicality.

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	Nothing like resorting to whataboutery to defend your position, eh, Loz?

Is that your goto response when people point out facts?

[SponPlague]

A little light relief...

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	My favourite facts of the day, courtesy of Larry The Cat: The Conservative Party has three times more candidates to be its leader than it has MEPs. Scotland has more pandas (two) than Labour MEPs (zero] 50% of the Brexit Party’s North East MEPs live in the South of France

From Guido:

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	Ian Leslie says… “Rory Stewart is the new Ruth Davidson – the Tory who appeals to everyone except Tories.”

[SponPlague]

	Quote:	amogles
	I'm not sure what's clear about the SNP. They want a vote on Scottish independence which they want to win. And then they will start on long and protracted negotiations to join the EU on their own terms, which basically means being out of the EU for a long time. So basically they are a party who wants to leave for the sake of rejoining. Or at least believes Brexit is inevitable, and sees it as part of their plan. So basically they are saying leave is the new remain. If push comes to shove, the rest of UK may even back down out of the whole Brexit thing leaving an independent Scotland outside of both the UK and the EU. The pro Brexit side is often accused of not having had a plan but just wanting to fudge it as it happened. It seems to me the SNP isn't any better in that regard.

Some SNP are pro-Brexit, too:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Sillars

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	In 2016, contrary to the SNP position, he announced he would campaign in favour of British withdrawal from the EU during the United Kingdom European Union membership referendum. He has said: "I think (the EU) is a profoundly undemocratic organisation which has shown a callous disregard for people, in Portugal, Spain and Greece for example. They've been willing to make people destitute - beggar nations - in pursuit of a single policy to create a United States of Europe irrespective of whether the people want it."

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Mikers
	AND I’ve used lower case ‘l’ and marton started his sentence with an upper case ‘N’ So you can get me for that as well!.

It's nothing to do with grammar. You misrepresented what he wrote for your own ends.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Is that your goto response when people point out facts?

Nope. It's your go to response when you refuse to acknowledge the facts.
Change UK hit the ground running and have an interim leader until they have time to have a leadership election. That won't happen with TBP because it doesn't have a membership. It's a vehicle for Farage and his views, which is the ultimate cult politics of personality. He had one party but couldn't control it, so he's begun another with total control. Very undemocratic. Personally, I just see it as Farage with the begging bowl out again, like the evenings with him that he charges £500 to attend. With a normal MP, constituents can visit their surgery and meet them for free.