The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[marton]

	Quote:	Mikers
	I completely agree Marton, I have no objection at all to that being pointed out. My point is about the comment on the end about Brexit party members not being the brightest light on the tree (or however it was exactly phrased). It's an element of a wider point we have all seen through the last few years of continually deploying the message that people who wanted to leave the EU "didn't know what they were voting for", "didn't understand Brexit", "have a problem with foreigners" and so forth, which when thrown in enough times, eventually leads to the Mud Sticks principle where they are labelled as unintelligent, quite unfairly so. The upshot of this is that its only going to make them more determined than ever to keep their course and be determined to leave the EU. It's a self-defeating method of attack because you are hardening their resolve to stay in their lane. There are several ways as we all know that you could make the point that by submitting your money to the Brexit party for membership you are not aware of it's spending policy without labeling people as unintelligent.

It is not for membership, you are signing up as a supporter.

"you are not aware of it's spending policy" basically you are paying for Farages beer habit for the next x years

[marton]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Proud 100% Remainiac. Definitely not swivel eyed - Widdecombe won that prize hands down last week. Curious and intrigued that this is happening, but I wouldn't say delighted. Also wondering why Gove isn't being summonsed and sincerely wishing it was Priti Patel also. She's been very quiet of late.

I assume it is simpler to prosecute one person. If they can nail Boris in court then later they can easily mop up all the others?

[marton]

Seems Farage does not believe Brexit will happen any time soon as he is making long term plans with other EU parliament groups.

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	Nigel Farage’s Brexit party has been in talks to join the far-right group [Italy’s League party] in the European parliament and is keeping its options open about its future allies, a spokesman for the party has said.

Source

[amogles]

	Quote:	marton
	Seems Farage does not believe Brexit will happen any time soon as he is making long term plans with other EU parliament groups. Source

does anybody still believe in Brexit happening any time soon?

[amogles]

	Quote:	marton
	Seems Farage does not believe Brexit will happen any time soon as he is making long term plans with other EU parliament groups. Source

An interesting piece of hack journalism by the Guardian.

For example

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	The former AfD leader Frauke Petry said German border police should be allowed to shoot at refugees crossing the border illegally.

How many years ago was that?

	Quote:	marton
	Seems Farage does not believe Brexit will happen any time soon as he is making long term plans with other EU parliament groups. Source

Does he have plans actually to turn up to council sessions this time?

[John William]

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	Does he have plans actually to turn up to council sessions this time?

I'm waiting for the inevitable repartee between Jean Claude Junker and Nigel Farage, as Jean Claude addresses the
new members of the European Parliament; as the newly re-elected Nigel Farage takes his seat, beginning with . . .

Why are you here, The British people voted in favour of the exit, Why are you here ?

[amogles]

	Quote:	John William
	I'm waiting for the inevitable repartee between Jean Claude Junker and Nigel Farage, as Jean Claude addresses the new members of the European Parliament; as the newly re-elected Nigel Farage takes his seat, beginning with . . . Why are you here, The British people voted in favour of the exit, Why are you here ?

The problem with Jean Claude is that he'll be seeing two Brexit parties, and won't know which one to address.

	Quote:	amogles
	An interesting piece of hack journalism by the Guardian. For example How many years ago was that?

Well the article you quote was from mid 2016 and the shooting quotes from earlier in 2016. So what exactly is your point

[amogles]

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	Well the article you quote was from mid 2016 and the shooting quotes from earlier in 2016. So what exactly is your point

I wasn't the one who quoted the article ...

And anyway, there wasn't a Brexit party in 2016. The article can clearly not be from 2016.

So what exactly are you trying to say?

I'm pointing out inconsistencies in the article and you're trying to prove me wrong by pointing out further inconsistencies that actually aren't there?

[marton]

Pro-Remain Lib Dems surge ahead of Brexit, Conservatives and Labour in new poll.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	marton
	Pro-Remain Lib Dems surge ahead of Brexit, Conservatives and Labour in new poll.

Yeah but it only takes them 2% above the people who are happy paying for Farage's dinner parties with Italian fascists.

The BXP rep on Question Time came up with some bizarre answers, particularly the one about how BXP are going to, in the event of a GE, compile their manifesto by canvassing their supporters to see what they think. It's almost like pyramid selling...."For £25 per month, you can send us your ideas. In return, we'll get the scissors and a prit stick out and create a manifesto."

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	marton
	Pro-Remain Lib Dems surge ahead of Brexit, Conservatives and Labour in new poll.

What it really highlights is that a future GE would generate an even more segment parliament that before. Not exactly what you'd need if you are facing a no deal situation.

[SponPlague]

To be fair to Nick Clegg, he regrets having signed the pledge: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-11732787

[marton]

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	Michael Gove tells Cabinet ministers he is prepared to delay Brexit until late 2020

Source

Getting very complicated to try to understand the positions that different PM contenders put forward and whether to believe them

Edit; Donald Trump has said, Nigel Farage should be involved in the government's Brexit negotiations and the UK should be prepared to leave the EU with no deal.

Source

WTF!

[Sad To Leave Luzerne]

I dont care either way on the poll but what i do care about is it has to be finalized one way or the other. As a business manager in Switzerland I can tell you it is hurting international business as companies do not which path to go down.

	Quote:	marton
	...Edit; Donald Trump has said, Nigel Farage should be involved in the government's Brexit negotiations and the UK should be prepared to leave the EU with no deal...

Pretty obvious that's what both the USA and Russia want. Divide and rule. Both have a heavy interest in breaking up the EU so they can impose their own solutions on the individual countries that would be left.

As the UK is already finding out (look at the US trade agreement proposals).

[Jim2007]

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	As the UK is already finding out (look at the US trade agreement proposals).

And the alternative to the Open Skies agreement they were offered by the US...

[Mikers]

Change UK has had a setback in its attempts to change the UK: half of its party have left (https://news.sky.com/story/six-chang...ation-11734775).

now only Anna 'pass the Sherry' Soubry is running the show as new head.

Sort of like watching a car crash, only slowly.

[Fish Paste]

	Quote:	Mikers
	Sort of like watching a car crash, only slowly.

X3 or Clio?