The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Why are the Tories getting hammered then?

Because they demonstrated they are incapable of governing?

[John William]

	Quote:
	The Brexit shambles has shelved every other issue, and probably the embarrassing in-fighting, back-stabbing and complete lack of control, leadership, authority and credibility. Just a guess.

Quite right - it's a bitter pill for Boris Johnson & Jacob Rees-Mogg to swallow but the Tory brand of Brexit is
being lost on the playing fields of Eton.

[John William]

	Quote:	John William
	Quite right - it's a bitter pill for Boris Johnson & Jacob Rees-Mogg to swallow but the Tory brand of Brexit is being lost on the playing fields of Eton.

At last irrefutable proof that Jacob Rees-Mogg want's to turn the clock back to the Victorian era in
a post Brexit Britain.





The Observer book review - Rees-Moggs book is sentimental jingoism & empire nostalgia

[FrankZappa]

	Quote:	John William
	At last irrefutable proof that Jacob Rees-Mogg want's to turn the clock back to the Victorian era in a post Brexit Britain. The Observer book review - Rees-Moggs book is sentimental jingoism & empire nostalgia

A magnificent 734 copies sold at the end of May, according to the Grauniad: https://www.theguardian.com/politics...hers-take-note

[lewton]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	If this trend continues Trump will be welcomed by President Corbyn of Socialist Republic of England!

The funny thing is that if Corbyn became PM with the UK in the EU, then EU rules would have prevented him from going fully Socialist.
But now he'll be free to do whatever he wants as PM.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	John William
	Quite right - it's a bitter pill for Boris Johnson & Jacob Rees-Mogg to swallow but the Tory brand of Brexit is being lost on the playing fields of Eton.

It comes to something when even Portillo says that revoking Article 50 is becoming increasingly likely as it is the last option currently on the table that hasn't been soundly rejected by both Houses. Hmmm...

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	lewton
	The funny thing is that if Corbyn became PM with the UK in the EU, then EU rules would have prevented him from going fully Socialist. But now he'll be free to do whatever he wants as PM.

Funny stuff!

Ireland incorporated the Fiscal Compact in to the constitution in 2012 and since then one of the arguments the socialist types have for giving them a “turn” in government is that they could not do too much damage because the constitution would prevent them from doing so.

[marton]

Two weeks away from the third anniversary of the Brexit vote we still sit in a sea of confusion, so time for some sad reminders.

Britain would "hold all the cards" (David Davis),
"getting out of the EU can be quick and easy" (John Redwood)
a free trade deal with the EU would be the "easiest in history" (Liam Fox).



Edit; no wonder their share of the vote has crashed.

[FrankZappa]

	Quote:	lewton
	The funny thing is that if Corbyn became PM with the UK in the EU, then EU rules would have prevented him from going fully Socialist. But now he'll be free to do whatever he wants as PM.

It's not really funny. This has always been Corbyn's philosophy, but he has chosen to keep quiet about it for fear of i) the bad PR caused by agreeing with the Tories and ii) scaring the Labour-voting Remainers.

[Medea Fleecestealer]

	Quote:	marton
	Two weeks away from the third anniversary of the Brexit vote we still sit in a sea of confusion, so time for some sad reminders. Britain would "hold all the cards" (David Davis), "getting out of the EU can be quick and easy" (John Redwood) a free trade deal with the EU would be the "easiest in history" (Liam Fox). Attachment 137005 Edit; no wonder their share of the vote has crashed.

And it would have been if, instead of faffing about trying to make a deal to leave, they'd just said we're leaving with no deal and then worked on getting the trade deals, etc, sorted out. They'd probably have all been in place by the time the 2 years ran out and transition would have gone smoothly.

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	And it would have been if, instead of faffing about trying to make a deal to leave, they'd just said we're leaving with no deal and then worked on getting the trade deals, etc, sorted out. They'd probably have all been in place by the time the 2 years ran out and transition would have gone smoothly.

Oh lordy.. do love a Sunday morning belly laugh.

[FrankZappa]

	Quote:	Swisstree
	Oh lordy.. do love a Sunday morning belly laugh.

That's two of us, then.

The Brexit denial virus is very difficult to dislodge once someone is infected.

	Quote:	FrankZappa
	That's two of us, then. The Brexit denial virus is very difficult to dislodge once someone is infected.

Agreed. I do not understand why everyone looks at leaders as saviours or failures. It is beyond bonkers. The complexities of Brexit are so intricate, they will bring down more than one PM if they keep insisting on over simplifying the impossible and selling the impractical: we can leave, just get out.

But now Farage has come bouncing along with his little box of weightless tricks and everyone is salivating at his empty promises and lies.. pure drama.

Brexit is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	FrankZappa
	That's two of us, then.

Three

[Medea Fleecestealer]

	Quote:	Swisstree
	Oh lordy.. do love a Sunday morning belly laugh.

Yeah and doing it the other way has worked SO well.

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	Yeah and doing it the other way has worked SO well.

What other way? The over-simplified yes/no referendum should have never been called. Totally inadequate and just showed up our politicians for being the numpties they are.. years of austerity blamed on the EU, we can do it better ourselves, bollox, when in fact years of tories lies have come back to well and truly bite them on the bum.

[Mikers]

	Quote:	Swisstree
	What other way? The over-simplified yes/no referendum should have never been called. Totally inadequate and just showed up our politicians for being the numpties they are.. years of austerity blamed on the EU, we can do it better ourselves, bollox, when in fact years of tories lies have come back to well and truly bite them on the bum.

All projects will fail when the project team does not want it to succeed. I like Esther mcvay’s idea: if the new pm is a brexit person then Only have brexit people in the cabinet. If the new pm is a remainer , only have remain people. That way, whatever we do, at least the team doing it will want to work.

	Quote:	Mikers
	All projects will fail when the project team does not want it to succeed. I like Esther mcvay’s idea: if the new pm is a brexit person then Only have brexit people in the cabinet. If the new pm is a remainer , only have remain people. That way, whatever we do, at least the team doing it will want to work.

Brexit was never an intended project though, it was an accident. Devised purely to put the tory party into some sort of workable order so Cameron could have more control.

May has tried and tried again to deliver Brexit and it hasn’t worked, nothing to do with her being remain or leave. Esther McVey is telling porkies and the purpose of her disingenuous spiel is to get into power, same as the others.

Interesting that not one of them in their grand sweeping Farage like plans are mentioning the DUP, lol. Will McVey get rid of them too? No one mentioning GATT Art. 24 and how it will stick in the craw of their great plans.

All bollox. Whoever becomes PM, they will be in May’s seat doing the exact same thing as her: failing to deliver Brexit.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	And it would have been if, instead of faffing about trying to make a deal to leave, they'd just said we're leaving with no deal and then worked on getting the trade deals, etc, sorted out. They'd probably have all been in place by the time the 2 years ran out and transition would have gone smoothly.

Only if you ignore reality.

- You would have 47+ objections at the WTO, including the EU 27, Russia and Argentina. How exactly would you get them to all agree to your trade terms and agreements?

- The EU trade deals with Canada and Japan, as well as the proposed deals with Australia and New Zealand all have a clause in them requiring EU agreement if they wish to enter into a similar agreement with any other nations. How do you think that would work out for you if you fail to honor your commitments?

- And then there is the Donald with his great deal... only problem with it that Congress must approve it and that will not happen unless it fully respects the GFA, Nancy already travelled to the UK to tell you. Trump’s NAFTA replacement deal has not been approved and at this stage most likely never will be.

Liam Fox is not getting any where because everyone knows there is no point in putting effort into it until the UK sorts out it’s position with the EU.

[John William]

Will Noel Edmund's be inviting the Tory Leadership candidates to compete in the game show that invented
the phrase Deal or No Deal ??

Surely they must be game for a laugh ?

Noel Edmunds - Deal or No Deal game show