The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Mikers]

	Quote:	marton
	Trump made a successful change from a registered Democrat to GOP! Of course, credibility is not anything he seeks!

Yep, agree and moving one step is absolutely fine. Where it starts to break down is if you move twice, because that second step gets rid of a lot of your credibility from seeking a new direction to just jumping on whatever bandwagon you can.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	I trust that all those that whined about the politicians who campaigned for Brexit not taking ownership of the result will STFU if Boris wins?

Maybe if Boris actually sticks to the promises he made during the referendum campaign. Like the UK staying inside the Single Market post Brexit.

https://twitter.com/i/status/782633174035787776

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	Maybe if Boris actually sticks to the promises he made during the referendum campaign. Like the UK staying inside the Single Market post Brexit. https://twitter.com/i/status/782633174035787776

In the last big interview he gave before the referendum vote he said the UK would leave the single market (see page 5 of the transcript). Though I agree he has been inconsistent.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	In the last big interview he gave before the referendum vote he said the UK would leave the single market (see page 5 of the transcript). Though I agree he has been inconsistent.

This is Boris' schtick though, promise everything to everyone, but try not to let everyone else know what you promised the others as it often in complete opposition to what you told them.

You can fool some of the people all of the time, etc...

[FrankZappa]

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	LOL! He’s already leaving all sorts of doors open and backing away from the absolutes which were his hard currency during the campaigning. Let’s not get ourselves into a frenzy of excitement just yet...

Here at the Zappa ranch, we've been gunning for Boris to win for a while. The Brexiteers deserve it - a wonderful example of "be careful what you wish for". The backpedalling and "I didn't realize"'s and other flip-flopping is going to be great viewing. I just feel sorry for the Remainers.

[lewton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	I trust that all those that whined about the politicians who campaigned for Brexit not taking ownership of the result will STFU if Boris wins?

[Troublawesome]

	Quote:	FrankZappa
	Here at the Zappa ranch, we've been gunning for Boris to win for a while. The Brexiteers deserve it - a wonderful example of "be careful what you wish for". The backpedalling and "I didn't realize"'s and other flip-flopping is going to be great viewing. I just feel sorry for the Remainers.

Same here, there's no better antidote to populism than giving in to it wholeheartedly as a nation and kicking yourself in the face years later when you have f***ed up your country completely. I'm Greek, I know this firsthand from my compatriots' choices..

[Blueangel]

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	Maybe if Boris actually sticks to the promises he made during the referendum campaign. Like the UK staying inside the Single Market post Brexit.

You might enjoy this killer thread from Wes Streeting. It's a great source of reference with plenty of material for Sunday's tv debate. I makes you fear any promises that pass his lips.

https://twitter.com/wesstreeting/sta...95487359926272

	Quote:	FrankZappa
	Here at the Zappa ranch, we've been gunning for Boris to win for a while. The Brexiteers deserve it - a wonderful example of "be careful what you wish for". The backpedalling and "I didn't realize"'s and other flip-flopping is going to be great viewing. I just feel sorry for the Remainers.

And once the sorry mess is over, will Zappa ranch also hold an 'I told you so!' party and make the Brexiteers pay for it? It's the kind of blue sky thinking that they're accustomed to, so I'm sure they will happily oblige.
p.s. Can I have an invite to that one too please? Promise I'll behave.......ish

[John William]

Well not many days now before the Brexiteers see the dream team at the helm for that special transatlantic relationship, with bumbling Boris in Number 10 to complement Trump in the White House.



Of course that only leaves Nigel Farage left to play The Joker on behalf of The Brexit Party !!

[Blueangel]

It only serves to remind me that "common sense is not that common."

Funny looking at the press this weekend. All out trying to smear Boris Johnson as a racist and homophobic, whilst pushing Rory Stewart as the great Macron-like hope. They’re getting desperate.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	All out trying to smear Boris Johnson as a racist and homophobic....

So they've only used two of the numerous flaws that he has? If Jeremy Kyle were still going, they could make an entire series about his misdemeanors...and it still wouldn't make any difference to some. What are the positives about the propect of him as PM?

	Quote:	Blueangel
	So they've only used two of the numerous flaws that he has? If Jeremy Kyle were still going, they could make an entire series about his misdemeanors...and it still wouldn't make any difference to some. What are the positives about the propect of him as PM?

As much as it loathes me to say it, Boris was born to be PM. The only positive I care about is if the country leaves the EU.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Funny looking at the press this weekend. All out trying to smear Boris Johnson as a racist and homophobic, whilst pushing Rory Stewart as the great Macron-like hope. They’re getting desperate.

To paraphrase a quote I saw yesterday: It doesn’t matter that Johnson is a fraudulent, lying, racist homophobe. It matters that people don’t care.

He’s flapping about with his politics and policy trying to be all things to all people. Ironically that was a driver in the downfall of May. What goes around comes around.

It's interesting.. beginning to think they want Boris to take it to the brink and screw-up Brexit once and for all.
Brexit is undeliverable and it needs to end, but they don't know how to do that.

But for sure, they'll be bawling and crying by the 31st of October and blaming everyone else: the DUP, Scotland, Ireland, France, the EU, car manufacturers, Larry the Cat..

[ZuriRollt]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	So they've only used two of the numerous flaws that he has? If Jeremy Kyle were still going, they could make an entire series about his misdemeanors...and it still wouldn't make any difference to some. What are the positives about the propect of him as PM?

I believe that, in the current climate around the UK and the way that it is viewed internationally, the positives of Jeremy Kyle as P.M would be highly advantageous. For anyone else wanting to join:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/categ...3697616676048/

[Blueangel]

Just a couple of links that caught my eye the last few days, for any geeks out there who can waste too much time pouring over these things

Fascinating YouGov poll of Conservative voters r.e. their views of this leadership contest:
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.ne...rmatted_2w.pdf


The full text of the damning comments from Sir Max Hastings, Boris's former boss at The Telegraph for several years. This is just a snippet...

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	Sir Max Hastings, former editor of the Telegraph and Bojo’s boss. “He is also a far more ruthless, and frankly nastier, figure than the public appreciates...”

https://twitter.com/hudson_derek/sta...58504656752642


Two video clips worth watching ...

https://twitter.com/rorystewartuk/st...243201?lang=en

https://twitter.com/BBCWalesNews/sta...18732946710528


Finally, allegedly, 54% of Conservative Party members who are currently supporting Johnson, only joined the party after the 2016 referendum. Bluekippers? The people who had the Tories running scared for decades have succeeded in hijacking the party and are now the king makers. Just let that sink in for a moment....

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Funny looking at the press this weekend. All out trying to smear Boris Johnson as a racist and homophobic, whilst pushing Rory Stewart as the great Macron-like hope. They’re getting desperate.

Sounds a pretty accurate description of Bojo to me.

[3Wishes]

	Quote:	Swisstree
	It's interesting.. beginning to think they want Boris to take it to the brink and screw-up Brexit once and for all. Brexit is undeliverable and it needs to end, but they don't know how to do that. But for sure, they'll be bawling and crying by the 31st of October and blaming everyone else: the DUP, Scotland, Ireland, France, the EU, car manufacturers, Larry the Cat..

Shame Larry the Cat can't be PM.

[marton]

The fact is that whoever succeeds to be PM the result will be the UK majority of the population will he screwed!
The only difference between different PMs will be how long it takes and how deep!
Time for another bottle of wine.