The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

	Quote:	MidfieldGeneral
	I know its easy to blame politicians but I think people are fed up and want politicians working for them. I think the demographic voting distributions say it all.

Fed up with politicians from the UK and EU who do not listen.

Local councils in the UK strapped for cash and closing essential services left, right and center in schools, mental care, disability assistance centers/units, specialist carers/ staff for adults and children.. relentless austerity which has stagnated progress for the everyday adult/child right across the the country.

You bet people are fed up.

[marton]

	Quote:	Mikers
	Translation: all people who voted to leave are racists. It's been the message all along and it now means people who definitely aren't racist have voted to leave out of anger at being relentlessly accused of racism.

Enjoy

[Mikers]

	Quote:	marton
	Enjoy

I'm not bright enough to understand the joke I'm afraid but I'm sure it's a goody. If anyone has some spare minutes this morning this guardian article today really sums it up well I think http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...ty-westminster

They just never latched on to the danger. Having intellectual in/out debates on the South Bank in London just have been really enjoyable and self fulfilling for the wealthy intelligent 20 something's spending there flourishing career earnings. Meanwhile in Redcar, the steelworks had been shut and it was just, well, one of those things.

This could be a terrible decision for the UK, but it was lost by remain, not won by leave.

[MusicChick]

	Quote:	marton
	Enjoy

Indeed. I am missing the words "disdain" and "lack of tolerance" in his definition.

Agnotology is an interesting research area.

[SOBEIT]

The sheer arrogance clearly struck a cord with voters yet DC and his aides failed to recognize the early warning signs and convinced themselves they would win convincingly. British politics across all parties is frankly inept.

[robBob]

Life will go on and the sun will still shine and:

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borow...ocial_facebook

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Swisstree
	Local councils in the UK strapped for cash and closing essential services left, right and center in schools, mental care, disability assistance centers/units, specialist carers/ staff for adults and children.. relentless austerity which has stagnated progress for the everyday adult/child right across the the country.

So what is the alternative to attempting to live within your means? Throw financial caution to the wind, borrow large sum to finance it all, difficult given the UK's new negative credit rating.. Increase taxes on the middle classes? Increase company taxes and hope that that combined with the exit will not cause them to leave?

[CathHarmony]

	Quote:	Mikers
	Translation: all people who voted to leave are racists. It's been the message all along and it now means people who definitely aren't racist have voted to leave out of anger at being relentlessly accused of racism.

Seems more like a workers 'revolution' to me.
Literally 'Off with their head' isnt the done thing anymore but you can fire them. And the EU got fired. Too many poor people and ...
I'd expect the same in the US,
did you know 22% of kids in the US are below the poverty line, how do you think their parents are going to vote? for billionaire who has a good trade/jobs blabber game at all his meetings, or a woman who does not have a good trade/jobs blabber game. That Hillary needs raise her trade/jobs blabber game. Its where Cameron went wrong too imo. He did not lie the shit out of this area enough.

[Tasebo]

http://http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/british-lose-right-to-claim-that-americans-are-dumber

[Phil_MCR]

	Quote:	Tasebo
	http://http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/british-lose-right-to-claim-that-americans-are-dumber

Yeah. Let's talk after Trump is elected

[JagWaugh]

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	Yeah. Let's talk after Trump is elected

There are many shades of dumb. Its true, you know its true.

[Medea Fleecestealer]

Interesting article from the BBC.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36620426

And I think this from Katya Adler sums up the EU's attitude to Brexit.

"In all the years I've covered European politics, I've never seen this continent so Eurosceptic or the future of the European Union so uncertain.
The mood in Brussels is resentful and despondent, while governments across Europe are scared.

They feel the heat from angry electorates who share many of the criticisms of the EU highlighted during the UK referendum campaign.
That's why you've been hearing the words "EU" and "reform" of late from the nervous mouths of some you'd least expect, such as Germany's Angela Merkel, and Donald Tusk.

Because they're so worried, the EU is preparing to get tough with Britain over the terms and timing of a new trade relationship.

This is not about punishment - well, not much.

It's more a desire for the process to be painful to put others off exiting, while Europe's leadership tries to re-group and, perhaps, reform."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36626409

[Tasebo]

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	Yeah. Let's talk after Trump is elected

Am I just being ridiculously cynical to think his golf course needed inspecting YESTERDAY? and then he openly displayed his ignorance of the Scottish vote?

[JagWaugh]

	Quote:	Tasebo
	Am I just being ridiculously cynical to think his golf course needed inspecting YESTERDAY? and then he openly displayed his ignorance of the Scottish vote?

You have to admit, he is a master at displaying his ignorance openly.

	Quote:	Swisstree
	BTW, Rufus mentioned the missing Theresa May earlier this week. Where is she? Gone on holiday? She's not in my cellar, I checked

Hanging out somewhere with Gideon Osborne. Where is the chancellor when the poop is hitting the ventilator?

[Tasebo]

	Quote:	JagWaugh
	You have to admit, he is a master at displaying his ignorance openly.

True that - not much he does that isn't ignorant, or open

	Quote:	Jim2007
	So what is the alternative to attempting to live within your means? Throw financial caution to the wind, borrow large sum to finance it all, difficult given the UK's new negative credit rating.. Increase taxes on the middle classes? Increase company taxes and hope that that combined with the exit will not cause them to leave?

One word: balance. Balance is required with good decent housekeeping. Austerity was needed right across the continent after 2008 and didn't we do well. Look at the Irish, really incredible to pay back what they did.. good on people, I say, for taking on the chin and getting on with it even though the bondholders got bailed out, banks were saved.. etc. etc. Same in the UK people tightened their belts, stiff upper lip and just got on with it. Had to be done, so we did it.

But where's the balance now? UK is thriving, Osborne boasting and grinning about his achievements at how well the government has done pre-referendum. Money returned, for some. Millions to be spent on a sea front on the Jurassic coast, and I am sure it will be stunning and help us all to live within our means. Portsmouth to spend a fortune on painting the tower landmark even though it's fine as it is; meanwhile, streets away families can't get their disabled children out the door, no available therapy needed to keep limbs in basic working condition. No disabled specialized pool for water therapy in Hampshire for children, but there are for disabled dogs.. on and on, relentless. Councils continue to stop services and train/recruit staff in mental health care. Limited use of specialist staff for struggling children in schools.. on and on.

No to borrowing funds, but spread the existing funds and taxes to balance out society, make it fairer, eh? Even a little fairer.. would help.

Balance with good, decent housekeeping.

[JagWaugh]

	Quote:	Swisstree
	One word: balance. Balance is required with good decent housekeeping. ... No to borrowing funds, but spread the existing funds and taxes to balance out society, make it fairer, eh? Even a little fairer.. would help. Balance with good, decent housekeeping.

You mean something like "Peace, Order and Good Government"? That is soooo old fashioned.

	Quote:	Tasebo
	Am I just being ridiculously cynical to think his golf course needed inspecting YESTERDAY? and then he openly displayed his ignorance of the Scottish vote?

AFAIK, he was checking out his mini-me farm in a secluded part of Scotland. He's growing an army of Trumps. Coming along nicely, wouldn't you say? All the heads are up.

[lost_inbroad]

How does this work?