The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH - Page 1041

marton · #**20802** 09.07.2019, 21:40

BMW announced today they are moving engine production from UK to Germany.

Loz; this is, of course, nothing to do with Brexit; just a coincidence I posted here

SponPlague · #**20803** 09.07.2019, 22:10

Well, a german company moving production to Germany? Hmm...

On the other hand:

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	Jaguar Land Rover have become the latest company to defy the doomsayers – this morning they’ve announced a billion pound investment in their Castle Bromwich plant...

https://order-order.com/2019/07/05/j...investment-uk/

#**20804** 10.07.2019, 08:52

	Quote:	SponPlague
	Well, a german company moving production to Germany? Hmm... On the other hand: https://order-order.com/2019/07/05/j...investment-uk/

Just to put that "several hundred million" investment into context...:

Brexit: Car investment halves as industry hits 'red alert'

...and from this article:

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	Investment in the UK car industry fell 47% last year from 2017 and the country is attracting a tiny fraction of the global investment in electric cars.

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	VW alone is investing £70bn in Europe, the US and China.

Oh and of course Jaguar said in January it would cut 4,500 jobs, with the majority coming from the UK. That followed 1,500 jobs lost in 2018.

marton · #**20805** 10.07.2019, 11:23

	Quote:	SponPlague
	Well, a german company moving production to Germany? Hmm... On the other hand: https://order-order.com/2019/07/05/j...investment-uk/

The way JLR phrase this it sounds more like a conditional offer than a definite investment?

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	JLR told Sky News: “We are making this investment because the ongoing Brexit uncertainty has left us with no choice, we had to act, for our employees and our business. “We are committed to the UK as our home and will fight to stay here but we need the right deal. “We will continue to work with government to secure a deal that supports business.”

3Wishes · #**20806** 10.07.2019, 12:48

Did anyone else watch part of the debate last night? I'm not really a Hunt fan but how is it that Johnson has the PM spot locked up? What do conservatives see in him?

He didn't really answer any questions and just faffed about and talked over both Hunt and the moderator.

#**20807** 10.07.2019, 12:58

	Quote:	3Wishes
	Did anyone else watch part of the debate last night? I'm not really a Hunt fan but how is it that Johnson has the PM spot locked up? What do conservatives see in him? He didn't really answer any questions and just faffed about and talked over both Hunt and the moderator.

I was listening to a BBC political editor, Laura Kuenssberg, a few weeks ago who said the feeling around Westminster about Boris is that if he's interested in something and wants the job, he throws himself into it and does it to the best of his ability. The example was; when he was Mayor of London he did a good job and got things moving and happening. When May made him Foreign Secretary, it was well known he didn't want the position and he half-heartedly fudged his way through it.

He is dead-set hungry to be PM so the theory goes he'll do it to the best of his ability. Can't help thinking he's bitten off more than he can chew, though.

I thought he would have swanned in for the PM glory-role once Brexit was out of the way as it's destined to be a PM-killer whatever the outcome rather than stuff his career up at this stage.

bigblue2 · #**20808** 10.07.2019, 13:11

	Quote:	marton
	The way JLR phrase this it sounds more like a conditional offer than a definite investment?

Tata (JLR) is just after more 'grants' to stay in the uk, Tata where given shit loads of cash to buy JLR from the gov on the condition they kept the factories in the uk going, that deal has either expired or will do soon.

amogles · #**20809** 10.07.2019, 13:15

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	I was listening to a BBC political editor, Laura Kuenssberg, a few weeks ago who said the feeling around Westminster about Boris is that if he's interested in something and wants the job, he throws himself into it and does it to the best of his ability. The example was; when he was Mayor of London he did a good job and got things moving and happening. When May made him Foreign Secretary, it was well known he didn't want the position and he half-heartedly fudged his way through it. He is dead-set hungry to be PM so the theory goes he'll do it to the best of his ability. Can't help thinking he's bitten off more than he can chew, though. I thought he would have swanned in for the PM glory-role once Brexit was out of the way as it's destined to be a PM-killer whatever the outcome rather than stuff his career up at this stage.

I still think he maybe actually thinks beyond that. The odds are that the Tories won't be in power for much longer. I don't see how anybody can turn around the party to make it win an election, be it the regular one or an early one. So basically his prospect is to be opposition leader. Plenty of room thee to grandstand, quote Aristotle and act the likeable buffoon. If Corbyn becomes PM, Boris will give him a real nailing in PM's Question Time. Add to that that Corbyn would essentially accept a poison chalice, and has a natural gift of making a big mess into an even bigger one, he won't last in power very long. And then, come the election after that, Boris will come into his own as saviour and deliverer the country from the mess.

#**20810** 10.07.2019, 13:17

	Quote:	amogles
	I still think he maybe actually thinks beyond that. The odds are that the Tories won't be in power for much longer. I don't see how anybody can turn around the party to make it win an election, be it the regular one or an early one. So basically his prospect is to be opposition leader. Plenty of room thee to grandstand, quote Aristotle and act the likeable buffoon. If Corbyn becomes PM, Boris will give him a real nailing in PM's Question Time. Add to that that Corbyn would essentially accept a poison chalice, and has a natural gift of making a big mess into an even bigger one, he won't last in power very long. And then, come the election after that, Boris will come into his own as saviour and deliverer the country from the mess.

All that assumes Corbyn remains leader and doesn't get replaced by someone who can actually do the job.

Boris is making a risky assumption there.

3Wishes · #**20811** 10.07.2019, 13:58

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	All that assumes Corbyn remains leader and doesn't get replaced by someone who can actually do the job. Boris is making a risky assumption there.

While we're at it, why does Labour love Corbyn so much? Is there no one else they could put forward as leader that would have better odds in the next election?

#**20812** 10.07.2019, 14:09

	Quote:	3Wishes
	While we're at it, why does Labour love Corbyn so much? Is there no one else they could put forward as leader that would have better odds in the next election?

Nope! I don’t think the Labour Party has ever seen such a dearth of talent as they have at the moment. Either protest gobshites looking for likes on Twitter like David Lammy and Jess Phillips, or just complete thickos, like Diane Abbott and Rebecca Long-Bailey. Add to that the hard left that has taken control of Party means that they’re going to be stuck with Magic Grandpa and those of his ilk for many years to come. It’s all too good for words.

amogles · #**20813** 10.07.2019, 14:50

	Quote:	3Wishes
	While we're at it, why does Labour love Corbyn so much? Is there no one else they could put forward as leader that would have better odds in the next election?

because most/many Labour people who can see through Corbyn have already dropped out of the Labour party and are probably going to vote LibDems. That only serves to strengthen the cultishness of those who are left behind.

Labour's biggest hope is that Corbyn messes something up big time so badly that even his supporters turn away from him. And sooner or later he will. But his ability, for example, to survive the antisemitism thing shows it takes something far bigger to put a dent in his popularity.

John William · #**20814** 10.07.2019, 22:04

	Quote:	3Wishes
	Did anyone else watch part of the debate last night? I'm not really a Hunt fan but how is it that Johnson has the PM spot locked up? What do conservatives see in him? He didn't really answer any questions and just faffed about and talked over both Hunt and the moderator.

What a pair, Trump in the White House and Bojo Boris in number 10. Abandon hope all ye who enter here !!

marton · #**20815** 10.07.2019, 22:25

	Quote:	3Wishes
	Did anyone else watch part of the debate last night? I'm not really a Hunt fan but how is it that Johnson has the PM spot locked up? What do conservatives see in him? He didn't really answer any questions and just faffed about and talked over both Hunt and the moderator.

Boris? It is the fascination of the horrible!

I actually liked Boris when he was Mayor of London but then he got into the Brexit mess!
Boris started as a remainer but then saw the grass was greener on the Brexit side. In The Telegraph in May 2013 Boris wrote a piece supporting Remain, similar in content to his 2012 BBC interview.
I am sure he would switch back to Remain in a moment if he saw a big enough benefit.

McTAVGE · #**20816** 10.07.2019, 23:53

https://www.facebook.com/HaveIGotNewsForYou/photos/a.480809768770138/1179211855596589/?type=3&theatre

McTAVGE · #**20817** 10.07.2019, 23:55

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=363928744317161

A very angry assessment of the Bojo/Hunt run up. I could have not worded it any better!

marton · #**20818** 11.07.2019, 00:05

Here is one of many Boris statements when he was Mayor of London

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	“If we left the EU, we would end this sterile debate, and we would have to recognise that most of our problems are not caused by ‘Bwussels’, but by chronic British short-termism, inadequate management, sloth, low skills, a culture of easy gratification and underinvestment in both human and physical capital and infrastructure.”

marton · #**20819** 11.07.2019, 10:53

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	Britain has failed to make meaningful progress over two years towards a free trade deal with the United States amid “chronic” staffing shortages and communication breakdowns in Whitehall, according to a cache of documents seen by The Telegraph.

Source (behind Paywall)

It was always clear that Britain had/has a major shortage of experienced trade negotiators. How long the US will want to continue these time wasting negotiations is a serious question despite whatever hopes Boris nurtures of a deal with Trump. The devil is always in the details!!

rainer_d · #**20820** 11.07.2019, 11:21

	Quote:	marton
	Source (behind Paywall) It was always clear that Britain had/has a major shortage of experienced trade negotiators. How long the US will want to continue these time wasting negotiations is a serious question despite whatever hopes Boris nurtures of a deal with Trump. The devil is always in the details!!

...and we know that both The Donald and Boris are obsessed with details....