The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	k_and_e
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Knowing where they are is very different to knowing where the weak points are.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...n-widow-letter

So, the bad news Brexiteers, is that you're going to have another Remainer trying to negotiate our withdrawal.

Can't you guys organise one of your lot to do it?

[John William]

BBC1 Panorama tonight - 9pm BST on 18th July - Britain's Brexit Crisis

Lift's the lid on the shocking truth on the British Govt's fumbling during the Brexit
negotiations and lays bare the fact that Britain really had no plan for Brexit
after the referendum.

Quote from the program from EU Commission's First Vice-President Frans Timmermans,
said UK ministers were "running around like idiots" when they
arrived to negotiate Brexit in 2017.
Mr Timmermans said while he expected a "Harry Potter-like book of tricks" from ministers,
instead they were like Lance Corporal Jones from Dad's Army.

"Time's running out and you don't have a plan. It's like Lance Corporal Jones, you know,
'Don't panic, don't panic!' Running around like idiots."

BBC - Brexit: UK will have to face the consequences in the event of a no deal

	Quote:	John William
	BBC1 Panorama tonight - 9pm BST on 18th July - Britain's Brexit Crisis Lift's the lid on the shocking truth on the British Govt's fumbling during the Brexit negotiations and lays bare the fact that Britain really had no plan for Brexit after the referendum. Quote from the program from EU Commission's First Vice-President Frans Timmermans, said UK ministers were "running around like idiots" when they arrived to negotiate Brexit in 2017. Mr Timmermans said while he expected a "Harry Potter-like book of tricks" from ministers, instead they were like Lance Corporal Jones from Dad's Army. "Time's running out and you don't have a plan. It's like Lance Corporal Jones, you know, 'Don't panic, don't panic!' Running around like idiots." BBC - Brexit: UK will have to face the consequences in the event of a no deal

From the article:

	Quote:
	(Michel Barnier) Asked whether the UK had ever genuinely threatened to leave in such a way with no deal, he said: "I think that the UK side, which is well informed and competent and knows the way we work on the EU side, knew from the very beginning that we've never been impressed by such a threat. "It's not useful to use it."

Translation: The UK were insane not to use it as a credible threat.

[bowlie]

I don’t think the Conservative government has any idea what they want even now.

The EU has a clear plan, keep the Union intact.

The British plan can be described as “When in trouble, or in doubt; run in circles, scream and shout” while yelling Don’t panic, Don’t panic!

	Quote:	bowlie
	I don’t think the Conservative government has any idea what they want even now. The EU has a clear plan, keep the Union intact. The British plan can be described as “When in trouble, or in doubt; run in circles, scream and shout” while yelling Don’t panic, Don’t panic!

Of course they don’t, which is why it is about to be replaced.

[Mikers]

All I want to know today, is what a kipper ice blanket is.

[FrankZappa]

	Quote:	Mikers
	All I want to know today, is what a kipper ice blanket is.

Well, thanks for that. Like an idiot I Googled it, having no idea what you were talking about, and got sent straight to the Daily Mail. So now I know, also I found out a lot about various minor celebrities' "taut abs", "wardrobe malfunctions" and other vital goings-on of the modern world.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Mikers
	All I want to know today, is what a kipper ice blanket is.

Going back to childhood holidays in the Isle of Man (so I'm not sure if this is what is meant today), my dad regularly ordered a stone of kippers to be sent to our house a few days before we returned. The cardboard box was filled with layers of smoked kippers and crushed ice, which was delivered by a freezer truck. Today, they're delivered vacuum packed and there's no mention of ice pillows or blankets here...

https://www.manxkippers.com/about-ki...ippers-by-post

[Mikers]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Going back to childhood holidays in the Isle of Man (so I'm not sure if this is what is meant today), my dad regularly ordered a stone of kippers to be sent to our house a few days before we returned. The cardboard box was filled with layers of smoked kippers and crushed ice, which was delivered by a freezer truck. Today, they're delivered vacuum packed and there's no mention of ice pillows or blankets here... https://www.manxkippers.com/about-ki...ippers-by-post

Yes there seems to be a bit of a view that he was making things up again. He gets away with murder with his bumbling buffoon act.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Mikers
	Yes there seems to be a bit of a view that he was making things up again. He gets away with murder with his bumbling buffoon act.

It's a flat out lie as confirmed by the EU today.

https://twitter.com/PabloPerezA/stat...11835697487872

In other news, good to see that some Tory MPs still have morals and have rebelled or abstained in today's vote.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	It's a flat out lie as confirmed by the EU today. https://twitter.com/PabloPerezA/stat...11835697487872

Why change a winning formula? Made-up EU directives about bent bananas, no-suck vacuum cleaners and the eco-lightbulbs were dog-whistles for Brexiters the first time around, not to mention his made up stories in the Times.

Some (or maybe now the number has grown significantly) just want a PM that will amplify their echo-chamber and tell them what they want to hear, regardless of whether it's the truth. Facts, reality and balance seem to be the weakness of the "Remoaner lefties" and their "Project Fear".

[John William]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	From the article: Translation: The UK were insane not to use it as a credible threat.

Oh yes - the credible threat being that the heads of the German Car industry would be banging repeatedly on
Angela Merkel's door, imploring her to persuade the EU to come to a UK biased Brexit deal.

Well it never happened and the consensus from the German Car manufacturers was basically the UK can go jump
- as far as bending over backwards to the British for a Brexit deal is concerned.

[amogles]

	Quote:	bowlie
	The EU has a clear plan, keep the Union intact.

for certain negotiable values of intact.

If you look at the Greek economy for example, intact is not really the first word that comes to mind.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	amogles
	If you look at the Greek economy for example, intact is not really the first word that comes to mind.

Why?
The Greek economy is improving in case you hadn't noticed, and is much improved over the last year. We can only wait and see what happens under the Mitsotakis administration (I'm not a fan), but it was encouraging to see that the election result wasn't the complete demolition of the left that was forecast, which hints to more balance in parliament, and the support on the streets for Syriza was visibly strong on the outskirts of Athens city centre. What shocked me watching Greek tv in the week preceeding the election on the 15th, was that the economy wasn't the main issue held against Syriza. It was the renaming of North Macedonia. That's been viewed as a huge defeat for Syriza and the Greek parliament. We shall see...

A note for any political geeks... Kyriakos Mitsotakis is the son of former Greek PM, Konstantinos Mitsotakis, who was in turn the great nephew of former 8 times elected Greek PM Eleftherios Venizelos.

Aside... The Greek economy has improved so much that our niece has just given notice on her full time job to set up her own business.

Oh.

Darren Grimes: Brexit campaigner wins appeal against £20,000 fine

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Oh. Darren Grimes: Brexit campaigner wins appeal against £20,000 fine

So a judge has concluded that Darren Grimes was too stupid to fill out a form properly, which absolves him of responsibility. That's all right, then.

[marton]

	Quote:
	Philip Hammond has confirmed he will resign as Chancellor of the Exchequer next week because he cannot work under a Boris government. He said he will time it before Theresa May resigns as Prime Minister. "I cannot accept the idea of leaving with no-deal on October 31

Looking forward to this third rate Govt under a third rate leader

Wonder how Boris will deal with Iran

	Quote:	marton
	Looking forward to this third rate Govt under a third rate leader Wonder how Boris will deal with Iran

Resign before he‘s sacked more like. He’s been a terrible Chancellor that’s sabotaged Brexit and holds a lot of the responsibility as to why the UK hasn’t left yet.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Resign before he‘s sacked more like.

Did you listen to what he said? He refuses to pledge to accept a No Deal outcome on 31 October. Simple as that.