The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

	Quote:	John William
	Here's another £2.1 billion pounds for the no deal, hard Brexit war chest which they say has doubled the amount of money that's already set aside this year. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49183324

“War chest”. Feck’s sake.

[marton]

	Quote:	John William
	Here's another £2.1 billion pounds for the no deal, hard Brexit war chest which they say has doubled the amount of money that's already set aside this year. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49183324

Why don't they give those billions to the NHS?

[Jim2007]

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	“War chest”. Feck’s sake.

Ah well BoJo has managed to achieve something in Irish politics that has not been seen in a 100 years - the two parties to the civil war are on the same side! Yesterday I was reading where the leader of the opposition was tearing stripes of some journalists for questioning the competence of the Irish PM, three years ago he’d have been egging them on!

	Quote:	st2lemans
	What's the big deal about a border? I'd happily go back to having a hard border between Switzerland and the EU, times were much better then. Tom

Coz it's Ireland and it is a massive issue there. Stick in a hard border and there's a pretty good chance you'll be back to the Troubles in a year or 2.

Project Fear pales into insignificance against Project Utterbollocks.

[3Wishes]

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	Project Fear pales into insignificance against Project Utterbollocks.

A bit mind-numbing how many politicians blindly tweet whatever info they receive that confirms their warped world views. Who needs fact-checking when you can fire up the base?

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	Project Fear pales into insignificance against Project Utterbollocks.

We are tripping over their lies.

Raab said he has repeatedly told us that no deal was a possibility - utter nonsense. It really highlights how stupid they think the electorate is, throwing out lie after lie.. no regard for the truth, meaning or the practicalities of brexit. Dangerous times to think the country is being run by a pack of idiots.

The sooner the tory party spilt for good, the better.

[Mikers]

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	Coz it's Ireland and it is a massive issue there. Stick in a hard border and there's a pretty good chance you'll be back to the Troubles in a year or 2.

This really shouldn’t be a reason for staying or leaving the EU. It’s effectively saying ‘you can’t leave because of the threat of violence’.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Mikers
	This really shouldn’t be a reason for staying or leaving the EU.

Whether we like it or not, it has to be a consideration because the British Armed Forces no longer have the capacity to address or contain it.

[Mikers]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Whether we like it or not, it has to be a consideration because the British Armed Forces no longer have the capacity to address or contain it.

I thought we didn’t give in to terrorists ? Or is it only middle Eastern terrorists ?

[bowlie]

	Quote:	marton
	Why don't they give those billions to the NHS?

Why? Because Conservatives are on private insurance. Why would Boris want to fund nonconservative voters health care?

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Mikers
	This really shouldn’t be a reason for staying or leaving the EU. It’s effectively saying ‘you can’t leave because of the threat of violence’.

It is a case of honoring the commitments made. A hell of of a lot of work has gone in to this in the U.K. in Ireland, in the US and the EU. And to simply blow it off when it does not suit you under such a pretense is totally unacceptable and shows a complete lack of understanding of the issue.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Whether we like it or not, it has to be a consideration because the British Armed Forces no longer have the capacity to address or contain it.

They never had the capacity nor are they ever likely to! After 900 years of conflict, some people on both sides in NI finally saw a bit of sense and the somehow coincided with leaders who were personally committed to finding a solution - Blair spent much of his childhood holidays in with relatives In Donegal, Clinton moved Irish affaires from the state department to the White House and AHern had built up a reputation as a master negotiator solving industrial disputes, Paisley and Adams had the credibility and the willingness to reach across the divide to make it happen..

And now all this is being but at risk by a couple of clowns with a half baked idea..

	Quote:	Jim2007
	They never had the capacity nor are they ever likely to! After 900 years of conflict, some people on both sides in NI finally saw a bit of sense and the somehow coincided with leaders who were personally committed to finding a solution - Blair spent much of his childhood holidays in with relatives In Donegal, Clinton moved Irish affaires from the state department to the White House and AHern had built up a reputation as a master negotiator solving industrial disputes, Paisley and Adams had the credibility and the willingness to reach across the divide to make it happen.. And now all this is being but at risk by a couple of clowns with a half baked idea..

Who will only show willingness to work across parties when it suits them and their narrow view, certainly not for the betterment of the people or the country.

The GFA was an amazing achievement. We could do with a few Mo Mowlams in the HOC.

[Mikers]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	It is a case of honoring the commitments made. A hell of of a lot of work has gone in to this in the U.K. in Ireland, in the US and the EU. And to simply blow it off when it does not suit you under such a pretense is totally unacceptable and shows a complete lack of understanding of the issue.

I don’t think though, from what we’ve seen so far there is a solution ? Leave EU = Border = not acceptable because of effect on GFI.

So the absurdity of it all is we shouldnt have had a referendum in the first place because we can’t leave because of the effect it would have on Ireland.

	Quote:	Mikers
	I don’t think though, from what we’ve seen so far there is a solution ? Leave EU = Border = not acceptable because of effect on GFI. So the absurdity of it all is we shouldnt have had a referendum in the first place because we can’t leave because of the effect it would have on Ireland.

No, not N. Ireland. The Union.

If Northern Ireland ends up with the best of both worlds: the EU and UK, or indeed remains in the EU, Scotland will want the same too. We will see the break up of the union.

[3Wishes]

	Quote:	Swisstree
	No, not N. Ireland. The Union. If Northern Ireland ends up with the best of both worlds: the EU and UK, or indeed remains in the EU, Scotland will want the same too. We will see the break up of the union.

I get the impression Boris doesn't care if that happens...

	Quote:	3Wishes
	I get the impression Boris doesn't care if that happens...

To get rid of N.I. would be a plus for Boris, but Scotland.. there would be murder and mayhem. The Queen would go doolally.

	Quote:	Swisstree
	To get rid of N.I. would be a plus for Boris, but Scotland.. there would be murder and mayhem. The Queen would go doolally.

I can't see the Tories missing Scotland - those are 59 seats that will disappear from the Westminister total, of which they get a small percentage at almost every election.

[marton]

The Liberal Democrats have won the Brecon and Radnorshire by-election, Jane Dodds overturned an 8,038 majority to beat Conservative Chris Davies by 1,425 votes, 43.5%.

Despite the publicity the Brexit party managed only 10.5% but still double of the Labour vote who lost around two thirds of their vote! Tories lost around a quarter versus their last vote.

Hard to draw any conclusions, LD claiming a victory against no deal!

Boris majority now down to one Not as simple as that because there are exceptions in every party on voting but nevertheless Boris does not have much manoeuvring room.