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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 25.06.2016, 13:00
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I'm not bright enough to understand the joke I'm afraid but I'm sure it's a goody. If anyone has some spare minutes this morning this guardian article today really sums it up well I think http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...ty-westminster

They just never latched on to the danger. Having intellectual in/out debates on the South Bank in London just have been really enjoyable and self fulfilling for the wealthy intelligent 20 something's spending there flourishing career earnings. Meanwhile in Redcar, the steelworks had been shut and it was just, well, one of those things.

This could be a terrible decision for the UK, but it was lost by remain, not won by leave.
"I'm not bright enough to understand the joke" I did not see it as a joke but as a social comment.

"Meanwhile in Redcar, the steelworks had been shut"

And next;
"Brexit decision piles pressure on Tata British steelworks"
"uncertainty following Britain's referendum vote raised the chances Tata would close its biggest British plant."

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Fed up with politicians from the UK and EU who do not listen.

Local councils in the UK strapped for cash and closing essential services left, right and center in schools, mental care, disability assistance centers/units, specialist carers/ staff for adults and children.. relentless austerity which has stagnated progress for the everyday adult/child right across the the country.

You bet people are fed up.
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None of these issues, of course, are directly caused by Britain's EU membership, but they are great examples of the sort of thing that the public see as being consistently neglected, and for which they want to point the finger of blame.

Sadly, successive UK governments have failed to appreciate and address this feeling of helplessness, and I think that's a large part of the reason for the 'leave' vote - 'perhaps this might make some differences' sort of thing.
I suspect immigration put so much strain on basic services, money had to be diverted there and not to services for disabled kids... a minority.

On top of that amenities that were already too crowded and underfunded are now inundated.

For people who live in rich areas and can afford private club and pool memberships the pressures aren't so obvious, for poorer people who have to share the public pool with young male syrian and afghani muslim refugees its more obvious.

You can call people stupid for not accepting the quality of life degradation but I'm guessing that thought process got you kicked out of the EU.

You have to look after your people not just use them.
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Old 25.06.2016, 13:14
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for poorer people who have to share the public pool with young male syrian and afghani muslim refugees its more obvious.
I guess if people think Syria and Afghanistan are in the EU some of the votes make sense.
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I guess if people think Syria and Afghanistan are in the EU some of the votes make sense.
Weren't we nearly forced to take a quota by the EU? That was enough to scare most people after what they saw in Germany.
Our borders being porous, have you seen who comes across the chanel from 'the jungle'? They only need to claim asylum and you have to process them dont you and then they are part of our society for the y.e.a.r.s it takes to process them.

another good point you made earlier, wasnt it you who made a post about the shit salaries in the UK. I'm guessing that affected poorer people too, probably more in the disposable income area than a wealthier person?

so on top of no. possibility of buying a house because of immigration demand has pushed prices up to an inflated level and little prospect of social housing because its being given away to immigrants.. its no wonder poorer people were worried.
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I suspect immigration put so much strain on basic services, money had to be diverted there
Basic services were put on massive strain by Govt cuts, to education, to the NHS, to social services, to public housing (beginning with the sale of Council Houses under Mrs T)- and NOT by EU immigration. Perhaps in some parts of the UK, like East Anglia and the South East- but not generally.

With EU migrants contributing positvely to taxes, and in other ways- schools and more services could have been provided. It was a political choice not to do so, which had very little do do with the EU.
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Weren't we nearly forced to take a quota by the EU?
Oh no, something nearly happened but didn't! And now, something that didn't happen might.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36626553

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another good point you made earlier, wasnt it you who made a post about the shit salaries in the UK
Maybe, I don't remember. The phrasing does sound like mine But if one plans to ever leave the UK for a holiday, or buy something not designed and manufactured in the UK then with sterling down around 10% the salaries are now 10% shittier.
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Well I can't say I can blame the people of Calais- They will be having whip-rounds to buy boats soon. And the UK border guards there will be asked to leave. I'm sure the French will be happy to close a blind eye or two.
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What would be the point of doing that?

Is that like "shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted"?
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I guess if people think Syria and Afghanistan are in the EU some of the votes make sense.
Well once they saw Sadiq Khan got elected they started thinking that.....

Potential future scenario:back to the roots. France, Germany, Italy and Benelux will regroup around a core entity....and put the satellite countries simmer at low heat till they find a way out of the long-term crisis.

The french news on TV at 8pm went to Bruxelles to interview the "desperate" faces of shell shocked EU servants who think about getting another citizenship than british to stay there...and repeating "this is a suicide this is a suicide". I think it sums quite well the disconnect with population when you know the numerous financial advantages they got there.

It's a bold decision made by the majority of British population, it needs to be respected and implemented. I hope no politician will try to repeat the 2005 experience of turning a No at referendum into a Yes by political jiggery-pokery. Will be a great test for UKIP and Boris to see if they can deliver what they promised.

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I suspect immigration put so much strain on basic services, money had to be diverted there and not to services for disabled kids... a minority.

On top of that amenities that were already too crowded and underfunded are now inundated.

For people who live in rich areas and can afford private club and pool memberships the pressures aren't so obvious, for poorer people who have to share the public pool with young male syrian and afghani muslim refugees its more obvious.

You can call people stupid for not accepting the quality of life degradation but I'm guessing that thought process got you kicked out of the EU.

You have to look after your people not just use them.
"share the public pool with young male syrian and afghani muslim refugees" So the Leave vote was not racist

Official statistics show that 1,602 Syrian people had been resettled in the UK by the end of March 2016 and there are 5,055 public pools in the UK. The Syrians must be running around like hell to visit these pools

So the young male syrian Christian refugees are OK?
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Weren't we nearly forced to take a quota by the EU?
Our borders being porous, have you seen who comes across the chanel from 'the jungle'? They only need to claim asylum and you have to process them dont you?

another good point you made earlier, wasnt it you who made a post about the shit salaries in the UK. I'm guessing that affected poorer people too, probably more in the disposable income area than a wealthier person?

so on top of no possibility of buying a house because of immigration demand has pushed prices up to an inflated level and little prospect of social housing because its being given away to immigrants.. its no wonder poorer people were worried.


I knew it was a mistake to take you off my ignore list.


"The Jungle" Really? You're kidding, right?


Here is a link, my posting it presupposes an ability to read and even the slightest taint of human compassion: http://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/pol...h_about_asylum


Here is another link: http://www.redcross.org.uk/What-we-d...ts-and-figures


Cooing at dogs and including "harmony" in your moniker evidently does not make you a particularly balanced human being.
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The sheer arrogance clearly struck a cord with voters yet DC and his aides failed to recognize the early warning signs and convinced themselves they would win convincingly. British politics across all parties is frankly inept.
"British politics across all parties is frankly inept." True, so who will now lead UK in to the golden future
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The biggest Brexit impact for the UK and for all of Europe is not so much of Brexit itself. That could be accomplished with minimal disruption. But there is now a psychological crutch available to anyone and everyone to use to fail. It's a free pass to failure without taking any personal responsibility for it.

People will be using Brexit as the reason for all their failures in life; personal, social, economical, national and institutional. In this day and age of elevated values of victimisation and acrimony, I think there is going to be a lot of very shrill whinging, weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Something new to whinge about while in queue at the Post - many of those the very same individuals who claim to not to have realised their vote would count.

In this internet age, I fear a significant number (more than would have ever read a decent newspaper, let alone The Sun) are gathering their facts from all of the less-than-reliable sources that flood screens, and questionably edited manipulative feeds.
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ZDF Heute Show - The UK leaving the EU (English Subtitles)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0Y89dfR8v8
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"A Prime Minister resigned. The £ plummeted. The FTSE 100 lost significant ground. But then the £ rallied past February levels, and the FTSE closed on a weekly high: 2.4% up on last Friday, its best performance in 4 months. President Obama decided we wouldn't be at the 'back of the queue' after all and that our 'special relationship' was still strong. The French President confirmed the Le Touquet agreement would stay in place. The President of the European Commission stated Brexit negations would be 'orderly' and stressed the UK would continue to be a 'close partner' of the EU. A big bank denied reports it would shift 2,000 staff overseas. The CBI, vehemently anti-Brexit during the referendum campaign, stated British business was resilient and would adapt. Several countries outside the EU stated they wished to begin bi-lateral trade talks with the UK immediately. If this was the predicted apocalypse, well, it was a very British one. It was all over by teatime. Not a bad first day of freedom." --Suzanne Evans UKIP
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What can you say- well yes, it was all about them bl***y Muslims again, I knew it:

https://www.facebook.com/Channel4New...3842562976939/

so EU immigration is no problem, but them Muslims are- so I voted OUT to stop EU migration. Ohhh, I see!
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I like listening to unbiased voices and it seems like the result of the referendum may be a long term benefit to the UK. It has been a well thought out and formed decision by both sides of the campaign. After all, we are entering the 4th industrial revolution and the inevitable world's progress will result in more dissatisfaction of average folks who are losing their manufacturing jobs outsourced to robots, growth of immigration due to globalization, small businesses growth hindered under current EU legislations and etc. Overall one has to look at a broader picture of the vote. Watch this 15min interview with the think tank Alec Hogg below:

http://www.fin24.com/Economy/watch-a...624?isapp=true
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Basic services were put on massive strain by Govt cuts, to education, to the NHS, to social services, to public housing (beginning with the sale of Council Houses under Mrs T)- and NOT by EU immigration. Perhaps in some parts of the UK, like East Anglia and the South East- but not generally.

With EU migrants contributing positvely to taxes, and in other ways- schools and more services could have been provided. It was a political choice not to do so, which had very little do do with the EU.
Couldn't we have improved our economy without immigrants and still maintain a quality of life that is acceptable. Eventually you wont have enough room to be able to import more people what will you do then?

It's not a requirement to overpopulate your country to do well is it?

Its a bit of a i dont know ponzi scheme that will collapse, we need better economics than this.
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None of these issues, of course, are directly caused by Britain's EU membership, but they are great examples of the sort of thing that the public see as being consistently neglected, and for which they want to point the finger of blame.

Sadly, successive UK governments have failed to appreciate and address this feeling of helplessness, and I think that's a large part of the reason for the 'leave' vote - 'perhaps this might make some differences' sort of thing.
Indirectly it certainly had to have an affect. With the EU membership came the UK taxpayers bailout of Greece 2011, extra funds were required over a crucial period of time which would've had a knock on effect on internal UK budgets. EU bailouts are one of the reasons for the prolonged austerity/lack of funds, or so people were told by UK successive governments - until they struck the deal and ring fenced tax payers money last year.

And for the balance argument: no mention either over the years of the beneficial funds received from the EU ear marked for UK projects, or to boost certain areas of the UK, they tended to keep those quiet which is another failing on Cameron's government leading up to the referendum. He allowed Farage to wax lyrical about the amount paid out, but failed to list the EU benefits and amounts which came into the UK over the years.

Unfortunately, the public only see what politicians want them to see. Rather than describe a section of the out voters as negative so and so's, I would think a section are downtrodden by austerity, exhausted from keeping their heads above water, and only had some facts mixed in with spin.. lots and lots of spin..

The government failed and the EU failed.. and that's why we are out.

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The thing is, despite all the effort and lies, it was not.
What a strange argument to bring into this discussion....
I was referring to Carlos' comment about "a little over 50% of the voters". At the level of percentages, there is a minor difference between the EU referendum stats (51.9% OUT; rounded off to 52%) and those of the Scottish referendum (55.3% IN; rounded off to 55%).

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