The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[HIAO]

	Quote:	bowlie
	Any referendum that receive approval from only a third (give or take) of the electorate should always be ignored. Any referendum that receive approval of a clear majority (55-60%) of the electorate should be considered as binding as any law passed by parliament. But then you need much better questions.

I don't know if that makes sense.

If a third of the electorate voted to exit the EU, this means less (even if it's close) than a third voted to remain.

It also means that at least a third chose not to vote. Regrettably non-voters are accountable for the referendum outcome too.

In my view, the Brexit referendum should have required the majority of voters, and the majority of constituencies, in each country to vote leave.

And, voting for such a profound decision should be obligatory, and open to all aged 16 and over.

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	Mikers
	We need the Swiss rule where referendum can be reversed by the government.

Actually, it can't be, they just try illegal bullshit to side-step it.

Tom

	Quote:	Mikers
	Which loops back round to the start: by ‘it won’t work’ what is meant is that Ireland could end up back at war. Which means we can’t leave due to the threat of violence, and to me at least that’s not a good message because it’s undemocratic.

The last throes of Project Fear. The UK can’t leave the EU because a few [people] can’t be trusted not to return to slaughtering each other. It’s the biggest load of bollocks ever, we’ve moved on in the past 30 years. If Northern Ireland wants to go off and join the rest of the country there are the democratic means to do so (see Scotland for details).

And just imagine the small possibility that they did start the violence again. Can you think of a greater incentive for both sides to conclude a decent trade deal?

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	And just imagine the small possibility that they did start the violence again. Can you think of a greater incentive for both sides to conclude a decent trade deal?

Scoffs at Project Fear, fully on board for Project Deluded.

	Quote:	Sandgrounder
	Scoffs at Project Fear, fully on board for Project Deluded.

And you really don't think violence wouldn't bring both parties back to the negotiating table? I think you're the deluded one.

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	And you really don't think violence wouldn't bring both parties back to the negotiating table? I think you're the deluded one.

I think I just avoid wishful-thinking assumptions and seeing it all as nice, neat little packages.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Sandgrounder
	I think I just avoid wishful-thinking assumptions and seeing it all as nice, neat little packages.

The problem for the UK at that point is that it will be left to deal with it on their own as it is an internal matter, the framework for negotiation will have expired and the BREXIT impact will be in full swing including lack of access to security systems and cooperation.

And as we now know most of the good intelligence came from two informers that the Irish Army's Directorate of Military Intelligence had on the IRA Army Council last time around. It is very unlikely that the Irish government will have the level of support needed to get that involved next time around, indeed it could well be that SF could be part of the government by then.

[John William]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	And you really don't think violence wouldn't bring both parties back to the negotiating table? I think you're the deluded one.

Be careful of the consequences of a Hard Brexit when it comes to Northern Ireland.

BBC News - Dublin man charged following largest port gun seizure

[bowlie]

	Quote:	HIAO
	I don't know if that makes sense. If a third of the electorate voted to exit the EU, this means less (even if it's close) than a third voted to remain. It also means that at least a third chose not to vote. Regrettably non-voters are accountable for the referendum outcome too. In my view, the Brexit referendum should have required the majority of voters, and the majority of constituencies, in each country to vote leave. And, voting for such a profound decision should be obligatory, and open to all aged 16 and over.

So you are saying that abstaining should be considered as favouring Brexit. I disagree, it should count as favouring the status quo.

We have it from the horses mouth that part of the leave campaign tactics was to convince remainers they didn’t actually need to vote for their opinion to be respected.

[HIAO]

	Quote:	bowlie
	So you are saying that abstaining should be considered as favouring Brexit.

I'm saying that non-voters are as responsible for the referendum outcome, whether they privately support remaining in the EU, or leaving.

In that context, 2/3rds of the UK electorate are answerable for the decision to leave the EU.

Moot point now.

[marton]

£ falls to 5 year low versus CHF, 1:1.18

	Quote:	marton
	£ falls to 5 year low versus CHF, 1:1.18

Is it any wonder with jokes like this in the cabinet?

https://twitter.com/Kishan_Devani/st...24280273903618

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	marton
	£ falls to 5 year low versus CHF, 1:1.18

The euro vs chf is also at the lowest point since 2017.

[John William]

No deal Brexit planning has just been ramped up with this No Deal Brexit Survival Guide for households available from HMSO & Amazon.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	marton
	£ falls to 5 year low versus CHF, 1:1.18

...and falling. The next big bench mark is 1.16988 CHF which is the 10yr low. I wouldn't be surprised to see that by the end of the month if not this week.

[John William]

	Quote:	John William
	No deal Brexit planning has just been ramped up with this No Deal Brexit Survival Guide for households available from HMSO & Amazon.

Preparing for Brexigeddon - back to the Cold War bunker

[Clocker]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49240809

No basis for further UK Brexit talks... according to the EU.

A senior EU diplomat said "It was clear UK does not have another plan."

... as far as I can see the EU doesn't have one either as they appear to have no clue as to how they are going to check anything slipping into the EU customs territory via the Irish border.

	Quote:	Clocker
	https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49240809 No basis for further UK Brexit talks... according to the EU. A senior EU diplomat said "It was clear UK does not have another plan." ... as far as I can see the EU doesn't have one either as they appear to have no clue as to how they are going to check anything slipping into the EU customs territory via the Irish border.

Of course they don’t. As has been mentioned on here the EU are terrible negotiators, they turn up, make demands and expect the other side to capitulate. Well the UK isn’t Greece as they’re soon going to find out.

If No deal happens it will be entirely the EUs fault. They insisted on no negotiations before Art. 50 was triggered, they insisted on the ridiculous sequencing, they’re insisting on the Backstop. They’ve tried to turn this into an exercise to prevent others from leaving. And it’ll be the EU that erects a border across Ireland to protect their sacred single market. They revel in lose-lose.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Of course they don’t. As has been mentioned on here the EU are terrible negotiators, they turn up, make demands and expect the other side to capitulate. Well the UK isn’t Greece as they’re soon going to find out. If No deal happens it will be entirely the EUs fault. They insisted on no negotiations before Art. 50 was triggered, they insisted on the ridiculous sequencing, they’re insisting on the Backstop. They’ve tried to turn this into an exercise to prevent others from leaving. And it’ll be the EU that erects a border across Ireland to protect their sacred single market. They revel in lose-lose.

This is real tabloid stuff. A daily fail explosion.. threats and everything.

Why don't they just leave already.. tripping up over their own red lines is now a huge joke.

This is nothing to do with the backstop, just a very transparent excuse to blame the EU to hide all their f**k-ups. Boris is taking the UK to the brink to save the Tory party and wipe out Nigel.. and look at me everyone: I, in my Churchillian fecklessness, have delivered brexit. What? An economic nightmare? Blame the EU.. and Ireland. Nothing to do with us, we are blameless.

Keep calm and blame everyone else, lol.

	Quote:	Swisstree
	This is real tabloid stuff. A daily fail explosion.. threats and everything. Why don't they just leave already.. tripping up over their own red lines is now a huge joke. This is nothing to do with the backstop, just a very transparent excuse to blame the EU to hide all their f**k-ups. Boris is taking the UK to the brink to save the Tory party and wipe out Nigel.. and look at me everyone: I, in my Churchillian fecklessness, have delivered brexit. What? An economic nightmare? Blame the EU.. and Ireland. Nothing to do with us, we are blameless. Keep calm and blame everyone else, lol.

Do you think the UK should accept the deal on offer?