The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Do you think the UK should accept the deal on offer?

The working agreement is not on offer. It exists because it was agreed between two sides.

The UK still hasn't a clue what it wants. But what it needs is a good dose of reality.. and stop hiding behind blame and idiocy.

Keeping it real.

How does this work?

[Clocker]

	Quote:	Swisstree
	The UK still hasn't a clue what it wants.

Of course it does. It wants and needs to implement Brexit and carry out the will of the people, democratically and regardless of the consequences. Anyone who is unhappy with that has the possibility to do something about it, afterwards and democratically. Nevertheless first of all the result of the referendum has to be respected and the will of the people implemented. Three years later, this still has not been done, which is very worrying.

	Quote:	Swisstree
	The working agreement is not on offer. It exists because it was agreed between two sides. The UK still hasn't a clue what it wants. But what it needs is a good dose of reality.. and stop hiding behind blame and idiocy. Keeping it real. How does this work?

It was agreed between Theresa May’s negotiators and the EU, and it has been rejected on three occasions by Parliament because it is a terrible deal.

This is why the EU (and Ireland) will come out looking bad in the event of No Deal. There is no doubt the UK wanted to leave on good terms and with a Free Trade Arrangement. Remember, it was Theresa May who was in charge of the negotiations, not Boris.

So I ask again, should the UK now accept the deal on offer?

	Quote:	Clocker
	Of course it does. It wants and needs to implement Brexit and carry out the will of the people, democratically and regardless of the consequences. Anyone who is unhappy with that has the possibility to do something about it, afterwards and democratically. Nevertheless first of all the result of the referendum has to be respected and the will of the people implemented. Three years later, this still has not been done, which is very worrying.

The will of the people, haha. Don't talk sh!te. No one voted for no deal. They can't deliver brexit because they are unable to.

This isn't about brexit, but the tory party. If it was about brexit and the 2016 vote, they would have left already.

[Clocker]

	Quote:	Swisstree
	No one voted for no deal..

Yes they did. They all did. They voted for Brexit, whatever the consequences. For this reason alone it has to be delivered, with or without a deal and whatever the consequences.

It didn't say on the voting slip, 'yes to leaving the EU (but only if there is a deal and that deal is acceptable)'.

	Quote:	Clocker
	Yes they did. They all did. They voted for Brexit, whatever the consequences. For this reason alone it has to be delivered. It didn't say on the voting slip, 'yes to leaving the EU (but only if there is a deal and that deal is acceptable)'.

So, *whatever the consequences* was written on the voting slip then?

The electorate were told they would leave with a deal, no problems at all. Easy trade with the EU block and all in sundry. That is what they voted for. Simples.

[Clocker]

	Quote:	Swisstree
	So, *whatever the consequences* was written on the voting slip then?

It didn't need to be written on the voting slip. If nothing is specified on the slip, then it is automatically a choice for Brexit, no matter what and whatever the consequences.
What was said/promised is not relevant, it is the wording on the voting slip that counts.
Nothing supplementary was specified on the voting slip for a reason.

	Quote:	Clocker
	Nothing supplementary was specified on the voting slip for a reason.

Plausible deniability of bus lies?

	Quote:	Clocker
	It didn't need to be written on the voting slip. If nothing is specified on the slip, then it is automatically a choice for Brexit, no matter what and whatever the consequences. What was said/promised is not relevant, it is the wording on the voting slip that counts. Nothing supplementary was specified on the voting slip for a reason.

All is clear. Right. Why haven't they left then?

Pure nonsense.

[Clocker]

	Quote:	Swisstree
	Why haven't they left then?

Because politicians are not courageous. And also because there are so many people, yourself and politicians included who simply can't accept the result of the referendum and don't want it implemented and are therefore doing everything they can to delay or stop Brexit.

	Quote:	Swisstree
	All is clear. Right. Why haven't they left then? Pure nonsense.

Because the UK wants to leave with a deal, it’s a very simple concept.

[bowlie]

The Conservative Government cannot agree amongst themselves what they want. This question needs to go back to the people.

	Quote:	bowlie
	The Conservative Government cannot agree amongst themselves what they want. This question needs to go back to the people.

And the disagreements continue - Cummings is being called out.

https://news.sky.com/story/tory-mp-a...hreat-11778499

	Quote:	Swisstree
	Cummings is being called out.

From France.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...tiate-new-deal

What an omnishambles. Blaming the EU is looking more and more feeble every day when the Prime Minister and the Minister for a no-deal Brexit can't even agree on an approach to this.

[bowlie]

	Quote:
	https://www.theguardian.com/politics...tiate-new-deal What an omnishambles. Blaming the EU is looking more and more feeble every day when the Prime Minister and the Minister for a no-deal Brexit can't even agree on an approach to this.

I am absolutely convinced the EU is willing to talk, but they first would like to hear what the UK’s ideas are.

C’mon Johnson make a proposal, publicly or privately.

Oh, wait. You can’t get your chums to agree on what you want.

	Quote:
	https://www.theguardian.com/politics...tiate-new-deal What an omnishambles. Blaming the EU is looking more and more feeble every day when the Prime Minister and the Minister for a no-deal Brexit can't even agree on an approach to this.

I love this: “Whatever happens, while we remain ready and willing to negotiate, the EU must appreciate that we’re leaving on 31 October, deal or no deal.”

Why do they keep announcing they are leaving on the 31st October? Who exactly are they trying to convince? Oh yes, the brexit party voters

Gove in 2016: https://twitter.com/PropertySpot/sta...20819364806659

[John William]

Well May and the Brexiteers kept reassuring the people that Britain will leave the EU on the 29th of May, come what May
( pun intended ) and look what happened !!!

	Quote:	Swisstree
	And the disagreements continue - Cummings is being called out. https://news.sky.com/story/tory-mp-a...hreat-11778499

Polymath Rebecca Long-Bailey has just torpedoed Grieve’s idea

Love Labour 😍

https://twitter.com/channel4news/sta...67410909986821

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	bowlie
	I am absolutely convinced the EU is willing to talk, but they first would like to hear what the UK’s ideas are.

The EU have have always said they are willing to take about the political declaration that accompanies the WA, but that is all.