The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Clocker
	Also I don't believe for one second that the referendum was rushed through or was sprung upon the people with no information...

People have a lot more information now than they did at the time of the 2016 referendum. Knowledge is power and people change their minds and/or modify their opinions based upon additional knowledge.

Everything I have learned since the referendum has only reinforced my original opinion that I wanted to remain. I would guess that it has had the opposite effect upon you, but there remains a third of the UK electorate who did not originally vote in addition to 3yrs worth of young British people who were not eligible to vote at the time. As adults and as the generation who will be the most affected by whatever path is chosen, they have a right to have their voices heard.

[Clocker]

	Quote:	Swisstree
	It will not go through as it's undeliverable. If it was deliverable, it would be done and dusted by now. Why the groaning again today? What's your problem? Same old, same old.. repeat of when you were plumtree and arseyline, and whatever else you called yourself.

I believe it is deliverable, but with difficulty because of a fairly close result and full-on interference from those who are just sad losers who don't want to accept the result that went against them and they are ALL (both sides) just faffing about. I don't understand the rest of your post.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	a third of the UK electorate who did not originally vote in addition to 3yrs worth of young British people who were not eligible to vote at the time. As adults and as the generation who will be the most affected by whatever path is chosen, they have a right to have their voices heard.

Their voices can be heard if a second referendum is called in the distant future, only well after the result of the first one has been implemented and the UK has experienced freedom outside of the EU.

	Quote:	Clocker
	There voices can be heard if a second referendum is called in the distant future, only well after the result of the first one has been implemented and the UK has experienced freedom outside of the EU.

But why should those now 18-20 year olds have to wait until their futures have been royally screwed? Can you not see that there is a problem with the status quo, such as it is? I doubt many, if any, knew that a no deal was even an option. Referenda are not binding in the UK. We are 3 PMs away from it. It makes little sense to keep tilting at this windmill.

	Quote:	Swisstree
	It will not go through as it's undeliverable. If it was deliverable, it would be done and dusted by now.

You keep parroting this, what are you going to say when the UK leaves on October 31st?

[Clocker]

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	I doubt nany, if any, knew that a no deal was even an option

Why wouldn't it be an option? The UK is an independent, sovereign country. There was never any law that stated there has/had to be a deal.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	You keep parroting this, what are you going to say when the EU leaves on October 31st?

Just listen to you cry again, like you did in March.. and in May.

	Quote:	Clocker
	Why wouldn't it be an option? The UK is an independent, sovereign country. There was never any law that stated there has/had to be a deal.

Just a queue of chumps on the leave side telling us getting a deal would be the easiest thing in the world, and that we'd be in Berlin and Brussles signing trade deals the day after the vote.

indeed

	Quote:	Clocker
	Why wouldn't it be an option? The UK is an independent, sovereign country. There was never any law that stated there has/had to be a deal.

I didn't say it wasn't an option, I said I doubt many realised it was an option. There's a difference. Anecdotally, those I know who voted leave are horrified at a no-deal prospect.

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	I didn't say it wasn't an option, I said I doubt many realised it was an option. There's a difference.

Genuinely, why is nuance lost so often on the Leave side? It seems an endemic issue.

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	Genuinely, why is nuance lost so often on the Leave side? It seems an endemic issue.

Isn't "nuance" a lovely word...


Seriously though, I think because as soon as there is any doubt, any at all, the leave argument falls down. I suppose that's why defence lawyers only really have to provide doubt.

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	Isn't "nuance" a lovely word...

Especially for critical thinkers..

[Belgianmum]

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	Genuinely, why is nuance lost so often on the Leave side? It seems an endemic issue.

Nuance is something that so many people fail to comprehend.

Wait. Anyone else smell deja-vu?

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	Wait. Anyone else smell deja-vu?

Can you keep it to English please? I am not a native French speaker and don't want to miss any nuance.

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	Can you keep it to English please? I am not a native French speaker and don't want to miss any nuance.

Ok. For those in the cheap seats : Haven't we been here before?

HTH

[Clocker]

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	those I know who voted leave are horrified at a no-deal prospect.

Whilst those I know are horrified by the deal proposed.

	Quote:	Swisstree
	Just listen to you cry again, like you did in March.. and in May.

Though this time they will be tears of joy, hopefully!

[bowlie]

Or as Yogi Berra was quoted saying “It’s like deja-vu all over again”.

	Quote:	Clocker
	Whilst those I know are horrified by the deal proposed. Though this time they will be tears of joy, hopefully!

There is no deal proposed. Or there is a "No Deal" proposed.

You must not know many folk under 48ish. Or with kids. Or who work for companies with susbtantial EU dealings. Or who need baby formula etc.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	3yrs worth of young British people who were not eligible to vote at the time. As adults and as the generation who will be the most affected by whatever path is chosen, they have a right to have their voices heard.

That's an absurd argument. It means that any referendum needs to be repeated every couple of years because the eligible population changes.

The British just have made an incredible mess of it. It will be either the YOLO option or return with the tail between the legs.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	but there remains a third of the UK electorate who did not originally vote in addition to 3yrs worth of young British people who were not eligible to vote at the time. As adults and as the generation who will be the most affected by whatever path is chosen, they have a right to have their voices heard.

“They deserve to have another go because they couldn’t be bothered to get off their arses and vote last time around”