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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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All the replies that were shared are from people aged 60+. Where are the younger voters??
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Listen to James O'Brien's phone in and you'll see that a large swathe of Brexit voters have zero clue what they've got themselves in for, or the reasons they've done it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrWewvty4gI

I have no doubt there are plenty of similarly ill-informed Remainers too, but they weren't for changing the status quo of the country for a brand of nonsense they had no idea the consequences of.
J.O'Brien: Let's have a think then..

Brexit in a nutshell: We don't think, we know.

Proof of how poorly educated and insular we are in the UK, not just in how the EU works, but how intricate and complex trade is. The world has moved on since little old England and trade is a huge part of who we are. The exposed levels of ignorance are staggering and a country's ignorance is a politician's bread & butter.. might've been okay when we are on solid middle ground but not now. Dangerous times.
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Old 08.08.2019, 18:44
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All the replies that were shared are from people aged 60+. Where are the younger voters??
If the younger voters have any sense they will seeking jobs outside the UK or down at the nearest pub
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Old 08.08.2019, 18:45
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I have no doubt there are plenty of similarly ill-informed Remainers too, but they weren't for changing the status quo of the country for a brand of nonsense they had no idea the consequences of.
Erm, what status quo?

The Treaty of Rome is unambiguously clear that itís a journey towards ďever closer unionĒ.

Nick Clegg tried argung in his debates with Nigel that there were no plans for an EU army, but, for example: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7211861.html

One of the biggest drawbacks for the remain side is that there will always be deeper integration treaties, and any ďstatus quoĒ is like expecting the sun to stay in the same place.
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All the replies that were shared are from people aged 60+. Where are the younger voters??
Quite possibly they have cottoned on to the fact they have been duped - fodder for the tory party and the right wing media.
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So what is actually wrong with European countries becoming closer? As I recall the first objective of what is now the EU was to end war in Europe. That has been very successful.

And what is wrong with EU armed forces. Seems a lot of money is to be saved by reducing 28x duplication. More bang for the buck.
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Well this thread has become a bit more civilized, hasn't it. Not sure why, but long may it continue.
It’s still a fairly one sided boxing match though. By my innocent reckoning:

Brexit: Loz, FMF, Clocker.
Remain: blue angel, Marton, StirB, Jim, Sandgrounder, Swisstree plus a host of others I’m sure I’ve forgotten.

And me. I want to see democracy upheld ultimately which is why although I seem to be supporting leave sometimes but I still hope in the end we remain part of Europe albeit through a democratic re-vote or a rejoin after we leave.

However Loz deserves a medal because he defends his position against an onslaught of abuse saying how brexit people are all thick dullards who have no idea of what they are voting for, which is patently rubbish. Using James O Brien for example as we have done a few threads earlier as a reference for debate is absurd as he is the most biased one sided commentator on the radio for remaining in the EU.

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The Treaty of Rome is unambiguously clear that it’s a journey towards “ever closer union”.
The treaty is from 1957, and the exact quote is...

"DETERMINED to lay the foundations of an ever-closer union among the peoples of Europe".

It's a completely vague statement from a time where a devastating war in Europe was still in living memory...not sure why you'd get your knickers in a twist about it. It clearly means a move towards a single market, which has now occurred.

The treaty has nothing to do with the ongoing functioning of the EU and is more aspirational. The treaty that has the technicalities on EU laws is the Maastricht Treaty.
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However Loz deserves a medal because he defends his position against an onslaught of abuse saying how brexit people are all thick dullards who have no idea of what they are voting for, which is patently rubbish.
Any chance you could give an example of me doing that?
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Old 08.08.2019, 19:04
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Itís still a fairly one sided boxing match though. By my innocent reckoning:

Brexit: Loz, FMF, Clocker.
Remain: blue angel, Marton, StirB, Jim, Sandgrounder, 3wishes, Swisstree plus a host of others Iím sure Iíve forgotten...
I don't have a horse in the race. The only time I've spent in the UK is at airports.

I'm just trying to understand it all. Why is it good or bad (or for whom is it good or bad)? Is the sky really going to fall on 31 Oct and there won't be food in stores or medicines, etc.
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Any chance you could give an example of me doing that?
Yes Iíll dig one out, update later.
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The Treaty of Rome is unambiguously clear that it’s a journey towards “ever closer union”.

One of the biggest drawbacks for the remain side is that there will always be deeper integration treaties, and any “status quo” is like expecting the sun to stay in the same place.
I'm missing something here. What's the drawback?
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Old 08.08.2019, 19:26
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Itís still a fairly one sided boxing match though. By my innocent reckoning:

Brexit: Loz, FMF, Clocker.
Remain: blue angel, Marton, StirB, Jim, Sandgrounder, Swisstree plus a host of others Iím sure Iíve forgotten.
How could you forget Odile? The most fervent remainer of them all.
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I don't have a horse in the race. The only time I've spent in the UK is at airports.

I'm just trying to understand it all. Why is it good or bad (or for whom is it good or bad)? Is the sky really going to fall on 31 Oct and there won't be food in stores or medicines, etc.
The sky won't fall in but it could be incredibly sticky for a while. That's the problem. No-one knows. No-one can say for sure. But there's a lot of worrying silence when these questions are asked.

It's bad for mobility. It's bad for education, employment, staffing etc. It's a PITA at least if your business is importing. It's potentially game over if your business is exporting.

Until there can be answers, assurances, definites... ugh.

And to answer your previous question, not only was the youngest respondent in the Huff Post article 53, all but one (i think) were retired from extremely well-paid jobs and are of an age to have had final salary pension schemes. The teacher too. I'd bet good money she was from an affluent area. In short, none of them are likely to be adversely affected but will probably complain when the prices of everything go up.
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It's bad for mobility. It's bad for education, employment, staffing etc. It's a PITA at least if your business is importing. It's potentially game over if your business is exporting.
Looking on the bright side, parts for LBCs are going to be dirt cheap for a while.
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Cars?
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Shoes. Bags. Shiny things.
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Erm, what status quo?

The Treaty of Rome is unambiguously clear that it’s a journey towards “ever closer union”.

Nick Clegg tried argung in his debates with Nigel that there were no plans for an EU army, but, for example: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7211861.html

One of the biggest drawbacks for the remain side is that there will always be deeper integration treaties, and any “status quo” is like expecting the sun to stay in the same place.
Hopefully we will see some benefits from Brexit.

After three and a half years of no progress, those easily negotiated free trade treaties are as far away as ever!

It is clear the NHS will not benefit.
At least the EU will not be making decisions for us as we have seen how much better it is with May and Boris

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