The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	grumpygrapefruit
	You should believe those reviews, some of the sparkling wines from the south of England (especially Kent, Sussex and Cornwall) are world beaters and often, pound for pound, are better quality value than actual Champagne.

Oh I do believe them, but on this occassion it was a case of one friend nipping to Tesco for me to grab a couple of bottles to deliver to another friend, and Tesco only stock their own label English sparkling.

Personally, I don't drink sparkling or champagne because it has zero effect on me. I might as well be drinking tap water, so I leave it for the people who do enjoy it. I love an oaky, buttery Chardonnay or a genuinely full bodied Shiraz (particularly in winter), but I once had a gorgeous English Chardonnay at a work trip to a London hotel.

Also remember reading a wine critic's piece some years ago about the wonderful sparklingrosé 'champagne' he'd been served at a wedding, but the waiters were keeping the towels over the label. It turned out to be from New Zealand, and if they can make world class wines, there's no reason why the Brits can't.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Swisstree
	A succinct and on-the-ball account of Brexit so far from Tony Connelly RTE Europe editor. https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/sta...69582631399429

That's the third time in as many days that I've read this phrase...

'6/ That is because the UK is now rejecting the level-playing field provisions of the WA which the EU had seen asa buffer against a low-regulation Singapore on Thames emerging on its doorstep'

I read it yesterday in relation to the erosion of workers rights after a no deal exit. Hmmm...

[22 yards]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	It turned out to be from New Zealand, and if they can make world class wines, there's no reason why the Brits can't.

Completely off topic, I know, but there's a tonne of reasons why New Zealand produces great wines (probably the world's best Sauvignon blanc, for starters) while the UK can't . Volcanic soils, hours of sunshine, distribution of rainfall, temperature range...

	Quote:	22 yards
	Completely off topic, I know, but there's a tonne of reasons why New Zealand produces great wines (probably the world's best Sauvignon blanc, for starters) while the UK can't . Volcanic soils, hours of sunshine, distribution of rainfall, temperature range...

The old adage that the grapes have to suffer a bit - Britain gets way too much rain to make any scale of decent wine making feasible.

	Quote:	22 yards
	Completely off topic, I know, but there's a tonne of reasons why New Zealand produces great wines (probably the world's best Sauvignon blanc, for starters) while the UK can't . Volcanic soils, hours of sunshine, distribution of rainfall, temperature range...

Craggy Range - Sauvignon, is a fabulous wine.. and their Riesling.

It's not cheap. Wonder how much it will be after Brexit?

The UK does make a vast array of truly wonderful gins however. And beer.

	Quote:
	The UK does make a vast array of truly wonderful gins however. And beer.

And all manner of elderflower stuff.

[3Wishes]

What would be the purpose of a snap election now?

1. Conservatives hoping to gain more seats? They've already lost seats in May's snap election and in some of the by-elections.

2. Conservatives wanting another delay but don't know how to ask for it so an election grants it automatically somehow?

3. Labour hoping to turn the tide enough to where they get to govern?

Some people seem to think there will be an election before 31 Oct, and others after, but from what I'm reading the overall consensus seems to be that an election is going to happen.

I'm so confused.

Wishful thinking potential clean slate opportunity, probably. At this point I doubt many really know. Johnson will want the "validation" I suppose.

	Quote:	3Wishes
	What would be the purpose of a snap election now? 1. Conservatives hoping to gain more seats? They've already lost seats in May's snap election and in some of the by-elections. 2. Conservatives wanting another delay but don't know how to ask for it so an election grants it automatically somehow? 3. Labour hoping to turn the tide enough to where they get to govern? Some people seem to think there will be an election before 31 Oct, and others after, but from what I'm reading the overall consensus seems to be that an election is going to happen. I'm so confused.

Boris is looking to wipe out UKIP and The Brexit Party, make the tories whole again and become PM for the next five years.

After the 31st means he is rid of UKIP and BP. He has delivered brexit - the fact he will surreptitiously crawl back to the EU to beg a deal is neither here nor there.

A snap election before the 31st Oct means he is rid of the rumble of cross-party threats and has a more controlled run up to the 31st of October. However, he will still have Nigel snapping at his heels.

As it stands, I think it is more likely the S. Election will happen after 31st of October.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	3Wishes
	What would be the purpose of a snap election now? 1. Conservatives hoping to gain more seats? They've already lost seats in May's snap election and in some of the by-elections.... ...Some people seem to think there will be an election before 31 Oct, and others after, but from what I'm reading the overall consensus seems to be that an election is going to happen. I'm so confused.

You're not the only one.

1. It's purely a numbers game.
Tories currently have a majority of 1 in parliament. There are rumours swirling about another parliamentary by election (as opposed to local council by election) currently being planned somewhere in the Midlands. Council by elections constantly happen up and down the country and many people put little stall by these, but just read the results from the last month on the Conservatives' own website which shows that LD are picking up most of the recently contested council seats since 259 local councils held by elections back on 2nd May.

https://www.conservativehome.com/tag...ection-results


2. Add this into the equation...

'The Remain alliance that could spoil Boris Johnson’s party'

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/0...ohnsons-party/

3. Now factor in that the 'leave vote' will be split between Conservative, Brexit Party, UKIP and (sorry guys but it's true in some areas) Labour.

4. The PM has cancelled all leave for government advisors before 31 October which is also fueling rumours of a snap election. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a4209936.html

When you look at all that alongside how the Cabinet members are behaving, places they're visiting, photo ops, etc...it appears that only Labour are not currently on the election campaign trail despite piping on about wanting a GE at every opportunity. Quelle surprise!

Top and bottom of it is, the Tories don't have the numbers to do anything, so they either increase the numbers in their favour or trundle into the territory of a constitutional crisis.

[Blueangel]

I hope this puts a smile of a few people's faces in the morning.

UKIP have elected a new leader, Mr. Richard Braine.

https://news.sky.com/story/ukip-elec...peout-11781964

To the EF mods:
From this point on, if one EF member asks to another EF member if they are a 'Dick Braine', can we take it that they are merely asking if they are a UKIP supporter? Asking for a friend...

[k_and_e]

The remainers should shut up now as the UK government finally has a concrete plan: the Brexit coin.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...exit-50p-coins

I'm pretty sure this will solve all problems.

	Quote:	k_and_e
	The remainers should shut up now as the UK government finally has a concrete plan: the Brexit coin. https://www.theguardian.com/politics...exit-50p-coins I'm pretty sure this will solve all problems.

I think by the time we leave that will be the value of the new £1 coin.

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	Quote:	Blueangel
	I hope this puts a smile of a few people's faces in the morning. UKIP have elected a new leader, Mr. Richard Braine. https://news.sky.com/story/ukip-elec...peout-11781964 To the EF mods: From this point on, if one EF member asks to another EF member if they are a 'Dick Braine', can we take it that they are merely asking if they are a UKIP supporter? Asking for a friend...

There was an Australian minister a while ago called Richard Face. Apparently he preferred to be known by his traditional nickname!

[Blueangel]

In today's Brexit Debarcle news...

The comments on this thread are insightful compared to the Govt's stance with some comparing it to the Berlin Airlift and others pointing out the marked difference in capacity between air and ferry freight.


https://twitter.com/christopherhope/...77778199207937

At 9am on Tuesday, scotland's Court of Sessions will determine the timetabling of the full hearing of a case brought by The Good Law Project aiming to prevent the PM being able to suspend Parliament in the run up to October 31st. Full thread here - https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/st...21199484051456


I'm increasingly reminded of a recent quote from Alex Andreou...

"It's amazing how many things about Brexit are 'Project Fear' right up until the moment they become 'what people voted for'."

[amogles]

	Quote:	Swisstree
	Boris is looking to wipe out UKIP and The Brexit Party

Is UKIP even relevant any more?

	Quote:	amogles
	Is UKIP even relevant any more?

Their existence needs to be eliminated. They would still be going strong if it weren't for Nigel leaving. What's to say another Nigel-type won't come along.

But yes, the BP are the ones who will split the tory vote.

And the tory rags have started to take down Nigel.. it must be official, we are on election count down.

The Daily Twisted Knickers.

[John William]

	Quote:	Swisstree
	Their existence needs to be eliminated. They would still be going strong if it weren't for Nigel leaving. What's to say another Nigel-type won't come along. But yes, the BP are the ones who will split the tory vote.

When all's said and done the Brexit Party are irrelevant as well, they are just a one trick Pony - Brexit -
and that's it, no manifesto or policy on anything else.