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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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When all's said and done the Brexit Party are irrelevant as well, they are just a one trick Pony - Brexit -
and that's it, no manifesto or policy on anything else.
Yes, but Brexit hasn't happened yet. BP's power and danger is a potential split of the vote and there's a GE's coming..

Hilary Benn's stark warning of what is to come with a no-deal Brexit.

https://twitter.com/hilarybennmp/sta...47796247232512
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US and UK are talking about a free trade agreement



https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/u-s--co...-talk/45155830


As a bonus, Trump's quote of the day: "when it comes to trade negotiations the EU is worse than China, only smaller".
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Old 13.08.2019, 11:33
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US and UK are talking about a free trade agreement



https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/u-s--co...-talk/45155830


As a bonus, Trump's quote of the day: "when it comes to trade negotiations the EU is worse than China, only smaller".
I for one welcome armed guards in front of A&E checking if people have insurance before admitting them.
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US and UK are talking about a free trade agreement



https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/u-s--co...-talk/45155830


As a bonus, Trump's quote of the day: "when it comes to trade negotiations the EU is worse than China, only smaller".
A lot of wishful talk going on re US trade deals. They have to go through the Ways and Means Committee and that is controlled by the Democrats. The chairperson of that committee stated already if the GFA is threatened there will not be a trade deal.

And there is no talk from the UK side as to what's in it for us. Where's the trade policy, what are the benefits for the UK? A bit strange, no? Makes me wonder if the US trade deal media coverage & its timing is to add weight to Johnson's no-deal Brexit threats.
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Germany looks in trouble, between BREXIT & TRUMP
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Germany looks in trouble, between BREXIT & TRUMP
Germany down 10% for the year, UK down 12% for the year. Not doing good for anyone.
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However it will be well worth it for the UK in the long run, I don't think that holds for Germany, France, Spain or Ireland.
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However it will be well worth it for the UK in the long run, I don't think that holds for Germany, France, Spain or Ireland.
How far ahead is your "long run"? Isn't there an inherent danger (naivety maybe?) of forecasting anything far into the future? I would say with the current uncertainty and chaos, any long-term forecasts are worth the square root of FA, especially so for the UK.

Fingers crossed and wishful thinking is probably the best you can go for.
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However it will be well worth it for the UK in the long run, I don't think that holds for Germany, France, Spain or Ireland.
The timeframe you are talking about though, we'll both be worms' meat

Economic forecasts that far ahead are worthless.
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The timeframe you are talking about though, we'll both be worms' meat

Economic forecasts that far ahead are worthless.
The EU and UK will definitely enter into some sort of agreement concerning such matters as trade and movement of people. And it will happen sooner rather than later.

It's just a tragedy that the agreement possibly won't be in effect from day one of Brexit.
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The EU and UK will definitely enter into some sort of agreement concerning such matters as trade and movement of people. And it will happen sooner rather than later.

It's just a tragedy that the agreement possibly won't be in effect from day one of Brexit.
That news is so comforting
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How far ahead is your "long run"? Isn't there an inherent danger (naivety maybe?) of forecasting anything far into the future? I would say with the current uncertainty and chaos, any long-term forecasts are worth the square root of FA, especially so for the UK.

Fingers crossed and wishful thinking is probably the best you can go for.
Too right in the current climate of ( what I would call ) the perfect Economic storm of Brexit, Trump in the White
House, Boris as PM in number 10, Trumps trade wars including his obligatory tariffs imposed upon whichever
nation he's got the hump with. The Markets in freefall, the UK's in negative territory & Sterlings in freefall
against many other major currencies.
It's small wonder Germany and many other nations are feeling the economic pinch.

Brexit for richer or poorer ?? it's definitely for poorer in my book !!

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The EU and UK will definitely enter into some sort of agreement concerning such matters as trade and movement of people. And it will happen sooner rather than later.

It's just a tragedy that the agreement possibly won't be in effect from day one of Brexit.
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That news is so comforting
Reminds me of The Thick of It's Ben Swain
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The EU and UK will definitely enter into some sort of agreement concerning such matters as trade and movement of people. And it will happen sooner rather than later.

It's just a tragedy that the agreement possibly won't be in effect from day one of Brexit.
It will be later much much later and only after the UK meets the WA requirements. This is just another version of the same BS we’ve been hearing for the past three years from the UK. The only difference will be that the UK will have fewer options than they have now as they will be a third country and the EU’s treaty obligations to negotiate will no longer apply.

The EU have already indicated a number of temporary agreements they are willing to do to meet their needs in the case of a No Deal situation.
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It will be later much much later and only after the UK meets the WA requirements. This is just another version of the same BS we’ve been hearing for the past three years from the UK. The only difference will be that the UK will have fewer options than they have now as they will be a third country and the EU’s treaty obligations to negotiate will no longer apply.

The EU have already indicated a number of temporary agreements they are willing to do to meet their needs in the case of a No Deal situation.
No doubt Ireland will be unaffected
Huge assumption that the EU will survive long enough for those deals to save them.
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No doubt Ireland will be unaffected
Huge assumption that the EU will survive long enough for those deals to save them.



I must say I enjoy the comedy on this thread.
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No doubt Ireland will be unaffected
Huge assumption that the EU will survive long enough for those deals to save them.
Brexit will be a disaster for Ireland, they will need saving, lol..

But when anyone mentions the huge disaster for the UK, it is dismissed with a wave of the hand: project fear.
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This is truly bizarre. The notion that if Germany or Ireland end up worse affected, then it's all worth it (or at least justified), despite whatever negative effects the UK suffers.

Beyond bonkers.
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This is truly bizarre. The notion that if Germany or Ireland end up worse affected, then it's all worth it (or at least justified), despite whatever negative effects the UK suffers.

Beyond bonkers.
Brexit-logic. A FB friend of mine who posts up Brexity stuff had the following comment under one such article...

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A septuagenarian friend of my parents who lives over here (Normandie) not far away has discovered that his income & insurance do not meet the grade to stay as a 'third nation' citizen post-Brexit. He voted 'Leave', and told me this morning at the supermarket all about his woes. Ending with "but, even though I'll go back to nothing, it'll all be worth it, to get out from under the German jackboot". I just laugh at them with pity these days.
Obvs it's highly anecdotal but I see this kind of thing pretty regularly.
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US and UK are talking about a free trade agreement.
Marvellous. So the cargo shipping times for chemicals and food will go from 7-10 hours to 7-10 days. That really makes sense.
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