The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[CathHarmony]

	Quote:	Odile
	Basic services were put on massive strain by Govt cuts, to education, to the NHS, to social services, to public housing (beginning with the sale of Council Houses under Mrs T)- and NOT by EU immigration. Perhaps in some parts of the UK, like East Anglia and the South East- but not generally. With EU migrants contributing positvely to taxes, and in other ways- schools and more services could have been provided. It was a political choice not to do so, which had very little do do with the EU.

Couldn't we have improved our economy without immigrants and still maintain a quality of life that is acceptable. Eventually you wont have enough room to be able to import more people what will you do then?

It's not a requirement to overpopulate your country to do well is it?

Its a bit of a i dont know ponzi scheme that will collapse, we need better economics than this.

[Swisstree]

	Quote:	Ace1
	None of these issues, of course, are directly caused by Britain's EU membership, but they are great examples of the sort of thing that the public see as being consistently neglected, and for which they want to point the finger of blame. Sadly, successive UK governments have failed to appreciate and address this feeling of helplessness, and I think that's a large part of the reason for the 'leave' vote - 'perhaps this might make some differences' sort of thing.

Indirectly it certainly had to have an affect. With the EU membership came the UK taxpayers bailout of Greece 2011, extra funds were required over a crucial period of time which would've had a knock on effect on internal UK budgets. EU bailouts are one of the reasons for the prolonged austerity/lack of funds, or so people were told by UK successive governments - until they struck the deal and ring fenced tax payers money last year.

And for the balance argument: no mention either over the years of the beneficial funds received from the EU ear marked for UK projects, or to boost certain areas of the UK, they tended to keep those quiet which is another failing on Cameron's government leading up to the referendum. He allowed Farage to wax lyrical about the amount paid out, but failed to list the EU benefits and amounts which came into the UK over the years.

Unfortunately, the public only see what politicians want them to see. Rather than describe a section of the out voters as negative so and so's, I would think a section are downtrodden by austerity, exhausted from keeping their heads above water, and only had some facts mixed in with spin.. lots and lots of spin..

The government failed and the EU failed.. and that's why we are out.

[vuachère]

	Quote:	baboon
	You mean exactly the way it wasn't?

	Quote:	greenmount
	The thing is, despite all the effort and lies, it was not. What a strange argument to bring into this discussion....

I was referring to Carlos' comment about "a little over 50% of the voters". At the level of percentages, there is a minor difference between the EU referendum stats (51.9% OUT; rounded off to 52%) and those of the Scottish referendum (55.3% IN; rounded off to 55%).

	Quote:	22 yards
	Unfortunately the FAQs are all answered with the same basic phrase: nothing will change for now (and nobody knows when "for now" will end).

In other words, the Swiss government advises to:

[marton]

	Quote:	Swisstree
	I would think a section are downtrodden by austerity, exhausted from keeping their heads above water, and only had some facts mixed in with spin.. lots and lots of spin..

Indeed, but so is politics. People were desperate for a change (maybe in the future known as the Trump syndrome ! ), let us hope it works out OK

	Quote:	CathHarmony
	Couldn't we have improved our economy without immigrants

Indeed, send the unemployed, the old people and the sick compulsorily back to work.

	Quote:	jacek
	manufacturing jobs outsourced to robots

My private nightmare is Call Centre jobs outsourced to Robots

[Phil_MCR]

Pro-remain Varoufakis weighs in:

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...nis-varoufakis

[marton]

"potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH"

It will all end in tears

[idefix]

[marton]

	Quote:
	Britain’s most senior EU official, Jonathan Hill, is resigning following Britain’s vote to leave the European Union. The Guardian’s Jennifer Rankin reports that Lord Hill was sent to Brussels by David Cameron and took the highly-prized portfolio of financial services. But his departure after Brexit was a foregone conclusion, as many European politicians oppose a Briton presiding over EU financial stability, when the UK is on the way out. Several MEPs have already called on Hill to go.

Wonder how long UKIPs MEPs will hang on to their EU high paid jobs and benefits that now have no purpose? Or will they carry on pro bono and refuse their payments

[Medea Fleecestealer]

Petition has passed 1 million.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-...endum-36629324

Problem I see is that rules have to be in place before something happens, not after. So frankly, they're wasting their time.

[Phil_MCR]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	Petition has passed 1 million. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-...endum-36629324 Problem I see is that rules have to be in place before something happens, not after. So frankly, they're wasting their time.

Yeah. Bunch of sore losers.

It's time to stop crying about the result and unite to negotiate the best deal for the UK.

[idefix]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	Petition has passed 1 million. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-...endum-36629324 Problem I see is that rules have to be in place before something happens, not after. So frankly, they're wasting their time.

The petition can get 16,141,241 signatures. Still won't be enough

[vuachère]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	Problem I see is that rules have to be in place before something happens, not after. So frankly, they're wasting their time.

Also, the referendum turnout of 72.2% is higher than all general elections since 1992 (77.7%). Can the election outcomes from 1997 be retroactively considered null (especially 2001- around 59%) on the basis of voter turnout?

[CathHarmony]

	Quote:	marton
	"Couldn't we have improved our economy without immigrants " Indeed, send the unemployed, the old people and the sick compulsorily back to work.

Its a tricky one isnt it?

Go the lazy and unsustainable route of net positive immigration that mostly benefits the wealthy (cheap labour) in the short term, one day you'll have to stop, you get that right?
or
put your thinking cap on and find a sustainable solution that benefits the whole population you are supposed to serve.

[marton]

	Quote:	CathHarmony
	Its a tricky one isnt it? Go the lazy and unsustainable route of net positive immigration that mostly benefits the wealthy (cheap labour) in the short term, one day you'll have to stop, you get that right? or put your thinking cap on and find a sustainable solution that benefits the whole population you are supposed to serve.

"benefits the wealthy (cheap labour)" You know about the UK National Minimum Wage law?

[Odile]

	Quote:	Swisstree
	The government failed and the EU failed.. and that's why we are out.

and now we are out, we will .......? succeed? I wish I shared your optimism.

Our family and young friends in the UK have been sending messages to thank us for voting with them in mind, the future and not the past. Two of the 33% - however gutted we feel about the results, at least we can look them in the eye and say we tried.

[Chuff]

	Quote:	Odile
	and now we are out, we will .......? succeed? I wish I shared your optimism. Our family and young friends in the UK have been sending messages to thank us for voting with them in mind, the future and not the past. Two of the 33% - however gutted we feel about the results, at least we can look them in the eye and say we tried.

Why would we not succeed? Do you honestly think this Brexit means the demise of the United Kingdom? Get real.

[marton]

Senior Vote Leave sources on Friday made clear that Mr Farage would not be invited to join the committee negotiating the Brexit.

The UK Independence Party leader said that he would use his position as head of the Ukip group in the European Parliament – the biggest group of British MEPs – to ensure he had a say over the terms of British breakaway from the EU.

Surely the UKIP MEPs will resign now?

Source

[JagWaugh]

	Quote:	marton
	"benefits the wealthy (cheap labour)" You know about the UK National Minimum Wage law?

And while you're at it, compare it to other nations within the EU. (You can sort the columns)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ges_by_country

[adrianlondon]

	Quote:	Chuff
	Why would we not succeed? Do you honestly think this Brexit means the demise of the United Kingdom? Get real.

The United Kingdom of England and Wales?

[Odile]

Without London of course, that will join Scotland asap- it would just about fit in between Glasgow and Edinburgh- perhaps. Maybe NI will join them too.