The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[marton]

	Quote:	Mikers
	Yes indeed. It's really beginning to look like the threat of violence is going to win the day when it comes to being required to stay in the EU.

Every coin has two sides! I would claim that peace and non violence wins the day!

Incredible that Trump and his inner circle people like Bolton have no concept of speaking truthfully; claiming bipartisan Congress support for a UK free trade deal when both main parties have shown extreme preference for maintaining the GFA agreement is a prime example of convenient lying.

	Quote:	Mikers
	Yes indeed. It's really beginning to look like the threat of violence is going to win the day when it comes to being required to stay in the EU.

Is refusing to do a trade deal with us violence now?

The US was heavily involved in brokering the GFA, I think they are entitled to ask us to respect it.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	marton
	Every coin has two sides! I would claim that peace and non violence wins the day!

But violence is a choice and you should not be held hostage because of a threat of violence by some groups. Also, would it be that hard to implement? After all, both are non-Schengen countries.

[st2lemans]

Tom

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Also, would it be that hard to implement?

Lol

[3Wishes]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	But violence is a choice and you should not be held hostage because of a threat of violence by some groups. Also, would it be that hard to implement? After all, both are non-Schengen countries.

I also wondered, and being non-Brit am largely clueless about the passions on either side. This opinion is from April, but it was an interesting read which helps explain why the backstop/GFA is so complex:
https://theconversation.com/brexit-i...ireland-114965

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	But violence is a choice and you should not be held hostage because of a threat of violence by some groups. Also, would it be that hard to implement? After all, both are non-Schengen countries.

You know absolutely noting about the topic. the GFA is an agreement that everyone signed up to and referenda were held in both Ireland and Norther Ireland to gain acceptance plus it has the support of the EU and the USA. And now the clown wants to tear up this agreement, one that has kept the peace in NI and expect no consequences.....

The beauty of the GFA is that it allows both sides in NI to go about their business as if both sides have won, Republicans can apply at a NI post office for an Irish passport the same as anywhere else on the Island of Ireland and they can travel, work and live as if NI does not exist. At the same time Unionists can behave as if the union is as strong as every and noting has changed. And there is agreement on both sides of the border as to the rules that will be followed should both sides at some stage will to form a united Ireland.

It is not even remotely close to a typical Schengen border situation, so please stop with the silly simple solutions and try to understand complexities involved. Even simple things like an address becomes an issue in NI, both "Derry, Ireland" and "Londonderry, Northern Ireland" will get a postcard to the right same address if dropped in a mailbox any where in the world, so that republicans don't have to acknowledge the existence one NI even when on holidays, this kind of thing did not happen by accident, it took a lot of effort to put all of this in place.

[marton]

Letter from Corbyn to party leaders proposes a vote of no confidence in Boris. If successful, would then ask permission from the House of Commons to form a "strictly time-limited" caretaker government with the aim of calling a general election "and securing the necessary extension of Article 50 to do so".

[Blueangel]

Just saw this on the news and burst out laughing. He really thinks he can command cross party support I reckon he's fuming because they like Tom Watson.

[amogles]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Even simple things like an address becomes an issue in NI, both "Derry, Ireland" and "Londonderry, Northern Ireland" will get a postcard to the right same address if dropped in a mailbox any where in the world,

Hasn't that always been the case, and is more due to the pragmatism of the post office staff that any high political endeavour?

Same as you can use German place names when sending a postcard to the Alsace for example.

[Blueangel]

From one of the regular Downing St press pack. Expect this on the news tonight.


https://twitter.com/PoliticalPics/st...44398311170048

Caption competition?

	Quote:	Blueangel
	From one of the regular Downing St press pack. Expect this on the news tonight. Attachment 137441 https://twitter.com/PoliticalPics/st...44398311170048 Caption competition?

Westminster's latest ploy to pull the wool over the nation's eyes...

	Quote:	Blueangel
	From one of the regular Downing St press pack. Expect this on the news tonight. Attachment 137441 https://twitter.com/PoliticalPics/st...44398311170048 Caption competition?

Lol, u remeinbers r the sheeps!!1!

[John William]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	From one of the regular Downing St press pack. Expect this on the news tonight. Attachment 137441 https://twitter.com/PoliticalPics/st...44398311170048 Caption competition?

Led by Sheep joins forces with Led by Donkeys in anti-Brexit campaign ?

[aSwissInTheUS]

On the Swiss side, the fallback agreement in the event of a ‘no deal’ Brexit has entered the consultation phase. This phase will last till November 21st! Only after that date it can be officially ratified by the Swiss parliament.

	Quote:
	On 17 April, the Federal Council approved a temporary agreement with the UK on admission to the labour market in the event of the UK’s disorderly departure from the EU. This temporary agreement is intended to cushion the impact of an abrupt change from the free movement of persons to third country status and ensure legal and planning certainty for the Swiss economy. The agreement signed by Federal Councillor Karin Keller-Sutter in London on 10 July is intended to allow UK citizens facilitated access to the Swiss labour market. The separate quotas for UK citizens set by the Federal Council on 22 March would apply. The agreement will only enter into force in the event of a no-deal Brexit and is limited in duration until the end of 2020. In the event of an orderly Brexit the Agreement on the Free Movement of Persons between Switzerland and the EU would continue to apply during the transition period.

https://www.admin.ch/gov/en/start/do...-id-76054.html

[Jim2007]

The BREXIT Weather Forecast:

How does this work?

[marton]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Just saw this on the news and burst out laughing. He really thinks he can command cross party support I reckon he's fuming because they like Tom Watson.

Signs that opposition parties think Corbyn is less worse than Boris

Gives new meaning to the saying "race to the bottom"!

[TobiasM]

Fascipedia: your guide to calling out populist bullshit

You know who you are.

Should be cross posted with the Trump thread.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Mikers
	Yes indeed. It's really beginning to look like the threat of violence is going to win the day when it comes to being required to stay in the EU.

This is a problem of the UK’s making, it took a hell of a lot of effort on all sides to bring peace to NI. And if the UK government’s actions returns NI to a state of violence and the bombs start going off in London again they will rightly be held accountable for it. And expecting US politicians to help them do it is just plain dumb. No American politician will want to face the Irish American voters if their actions reopened the whole mess in NI.

This is not about the UK government standard up to violence, it’s about the UK Government reneging on an international agreement which they signed up to.

[Mikers]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	This is a problem of the UK’s making, it took a hell of a lot of effort on all sides to bring peace to NI. And if the UK government’s actions returns NI to a state of violence and the bombs start going off in London again they will rightly be held accountable for it. And expecting US politicians to help them do it is just plain dumb. No American politician will want to face the Irish American voters if their actions reopened the whole mess in NI. This is not about the UK government standard up to violence, it’s about the UK Government reneging on an international agreement which they signed up to.

Which is a fair and logical explanation. So we all would be in a much better place, if 4 years ago when the referendum question was at its peak, Cameron had said "we can't leave the EU, because of the Good Friday Agreement". Then everyone would have understood the picture clearly and no referendum would have taken place and we would remain shackled into the EU as long as the GFA exists, which currently is I think forever.