The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Mikers
	Which is a fair and logical explanation. So we all would be in a much better place, if 4 years ago when the referendum question was at its peak, Cameron had said "we can't leave the EU, because of the Good Friday Agreement". Then everyone would have understood the picture clearly and no referendum would have taken place and we would remain shackled into the EU as long as the GFA exists, which currently is I think forever.

Not at all, the demographics in NI are such that in thirty years or so they’ll vote themselves into a united Ireland in any case under the provisions of the GFA. And remember that they did vote to stay. The problem is that the UK government depends on the DUP to stay in office and above all else the DUP wants the GFA gone. And this is their golden opportunity to do it.

Conducting checks in the Irish Sea makes much more sense in any case, since such checks have to be carried out to prevent smuggling etc... it would add a bit more work but not a lot. It would also mean that there would be no need for passport control. And it was the original proposal from the EU. The idea that it should apply to the whole of the UK was to keep the DUP on side and came from the Tory party.

Finding a way to ditch the DUP is the key to the solution.

[John William]

Hey Britain should have first refusal to become the 51st State of the United States, not Greenland !!

Diehard Brexiteers of the extreme right of the ERG are furious that Donald Trump is keen to continue
the expansion of the United States into the 21st century by offering a Louisiana style purchase of
Greenland from Denmark.
Whereas the Brexiteers were hoping that the United States would one day, incorporate the United
Kingdom as the 51st State of America, after leaving the EU.

BBC News - Trump looking to buy Greenland from Denmark but the Danes are not amused !!

[SponPlague]

	Quote:	bigblue2
	Are you that stupid you can't see the 'deal' we have in the EU is pretty sweet?

Then my Doctor told me I have diabetes 🤬

	Quote:	John William
	Steady on - I get my best laughs from the merry band of Brexiteers on this thread. At moment we've got the absurd prediction that the EU is on the verge of collapse versus the bookies favourite that the United Kingdom is about to fall apart from the fallout of a No Deal Brexit.

And Germany, barring the vagaries of the quarterly calendar, isn’t ACTUALLY in tecession? 🤓

	Quote:
	A Brexiteer unwilling to admit or correct a mistake they made? Well I never. You can join Loz on the ignore list, adios. Free Trade deal != Trade deal - please keep that in mind when dealing with the rest of the unfortunates who haven't discovered the ignore button yet.

My big mistake: Standing against Kate Hoey in 2005 🥺

	Quote:	marton
	Letter from Corbyn to party leaders proposes a vote of no confidence in Boris. If successful, would then ask permission from the House of Commons to form a "strictly time-limited" caretaker government with the aim of calling a general election "and securing the necessary extension of Article 50 to do so".

Moron: Request to form a caretaker government comes from Her Majesty The Queen 🤬

	Quote:	SponPlague
	Moron: Request to form a caretaker government comes from Her Majesty The Queen 🤬

The request to request to form a caretaker government comes from Parliament. The Queen doesn't just randomly pick a name out of a hat.

Is the use of the term "moron" strictly necessary? (Hint: No.)

[SponPlague]

Agreed. Apologies.

[BLP]

Anyone following this have a idea what happens after brexit for UK citizens who aren't here with a permit? I was always told before that being in the EU protected me from being chucked out, would that still be the case?

[eng_ch]

	Quote:	BLP
	Anyone following this have a idea what happens after brexit for UK citizens who aren't here with a permit? I was always told before that being in the EU protected me from being chucked out, would that still be the case?

How can you be here without a permit unless you're a tourist?


Assuming no deal, then the UK reverts to the usual Schengen dance of 90 days in any 180-day period in the entire Schengen area. Get a permit, or get counting.

[BLP]

	Quote:	eng_ch
	How can you be here without a permit unless you're a tourist? Assuming no deal, then the UK reverts to the usual Schengen dance of 90 days in any 180-day period in the entire Schengen area. Get a permit, or get counting.

Me and my drama with getting a permit has been a long nightmare.

The aspect my question was in reference to was the fact they said before they could not deport someone from the UK as they were EU.

If we're no longer EU then what?

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	BLP
	Me and my drama with getting a permit has been a long nightmare. The aspect my question was in reference to was the fact they said before they could not deport someone from the UK as they were EU. If we're no longer EU then what?

Without a Schengen Visa or residents' permit you would not be able to stay more than 90 days in 180.

[BLP]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Without a Schengen Visa or residents' permit you would not be able to stay more than 90 days in 180.

That isn't my question. As of now, they can't deport EU peeps, so when we're not EU, then what?

And they ignore my emails so I can't just easily ask or I would.

[3Wishes]

	Quote:	BLP
	That isn't my question. As of now, they can't deport EU peeps, so when we're not EU, then what? And they ignore my emails so I can't just easily ask or I would.

Your situation is unique, so even if people gave you an answer here I am not sure it would be relevant.

Even though the authorities haven't renewed your permit, they also haven't kicked you out. I don't think they would even after a no-deal Brexit, since your children are here, etc.

[BLP]

	Quote:	3Wishes
	Your situation is unique, so even if people gave you an answer here I am not sure it would be relevant. Even though the authorities haven't renewed your permit, they also haven't kicked you out. I don't think they would even after a no-deal Brexit, since your children are here, etc.

Correction, never once had a permit

I just was told the EU thing protected me so now I don't know. I know the lawyer for the canton wrote to the court, they are angry I didn't send a certain paper, a paper I don't have and my lawyer told them that

Anyway, I read brexit stuff and wonder if it changes it or not. That was all

PS: Kids are not a reason to stay according to the canton. Something I've argued against.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	BLP
	That isn't my question. As of now, they can't deport EU peeps, so when we're not EU, then what? And they ignore my emails so I can't just easily ask or I would.

Of course they can remove EU citizens from the UK and even ban the entry of certain citizens: they can be removed for economic or security reasons.

[BLP]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Of course they can remove EU citizens from the UK and even ban the entry of certain citizens: they can be removed for economic or security reasons.

The swiss can just remove and ban people?
I was told before they couldn't just remove EU peeps

	Quote:	BLP
	The swiss can just remove and ban people? I was told before they couldn't just remove EU peeps

Anyone can be chucked out, same as anywhere else. There’s probably a rule book of ‘offences’ which could see someone deported, regardless of whether they are EU or not.

[BLP]

	Quote:
	Anyone can be chucked out, same as anywhere else. There’s probably a rule book of ‘offences’ which could see someone deported, regardless of whether they are EU or not.

Just relaying what I was told before.

I have been waiting for the rejection letter I was told was "going to arrive" in Oct. Never arrived. They are soooooo slow

[bowlie]

We are hearing that recent dossier is only ‘a worst case scenario’..

Does that mean that it is unlikely to occur? Or it won’t really be all that bad? Or there is no [expletive deleted] way that is going to happen?

I am hoping it really won’t be that bad, but ...

[3Wishes]

	Quote:	bowlie
	We are hearing that recent dossier is only ‘a worst case scenario’.. Does that mean that it is unlikely to occur? Or it won’t really be all that bad? Or there is no [expletive deleted] way that is going to happen? I am hoping it really won’t be that bad, but ...

I think it's as Gove said - you have to know what the worst-case scenario is and prepare for it. Not doing any prep at all and thinking it's all going to be fine is foolish. Will it come to pass? Who knows. Maybe the EU will blink and Boris will get a new deal, even though he hasn't actually said what he wants.

[John William]

	Quote:	BLP
	The swiss can just remove and ban people? I was told before they couldn't just remove EU peeps

Which reminds me what was the result of the Swiss vote back in 2016 where the Swiss can deport
foreigners ( whether they be EU citizens or not ) if they commit 2 minor offences within a 10 year
period, like traffic violations.

Now that could be two Speeding tickets and your out !!!

The Guardian - Switzerland votes on expelling foreigners for minor crimes


I think it was rejected but there again there's nothing to stop the Swiss putting it to the vote again !!

[BLP]

	Quote:	John William
	Which reminds me what was the result of the Swiss vote back in 2016 where the Swiss can deport foreigners ( whether they be EU citizens or not ) if they commit 2 minor offences within a 10 year period, like traffic violations. Now that could be two Speeding tickets and your out !!! The Guardian - Switzerland votes on expelling foreigners for minor crimes I think it was rejected but there again there's nothing to stop the Swiss putting it to the vote again !!

I've already got 2 but so does ex who has a permit and they don't care if he adds a few more.

I'm ok if we're all thrown out