The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

	Quote:	Clocker
	True. However, it is a separate issue. Once the UK is out, anything regarding movement of citizens between UK and CH will have nothing to do with the EU in any case. The sooner CH halts freedom of movement too, the better.

Is that true, though? The FMOP is an EU thing which also encompasses Switzerland. Although neither the UK (to be) nor Switzerland are in the EU, Switzerland is still bound by this particular agreement and would have to comply with the conditions of the rest of the EU's new relationship with the UK, no?

[Clocker]

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	Is that true, though? The FMOP is an EU thing which also encompasses Switzerland. Although neither the UK (to be) nor Switzerland are in the UK, Switzerland is still bound by this particular agreement and would have to comply with the conditions of the rest of the EU's new relationship with the UK, no?

Not necessarily. Switzerland already/still has the option of applying different rules to different EU members and makes use of this option. Before anything is decided though, for what happens after Brexit, everything concerning the exact details is mere speculation.

[fatmanfilms]

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	Is that true, though? The FMOP is an EU thing which also encompasses Switzerland. Although neither the UK (to be) nor Switzerland are in the EU, Switzerland is still bound by this particular agreement and would have to comply with the conditions of the rest of the EU's new relationship with the UK, no?

If the EU has no deal with the UK, Switzerland & the UK can make any deal they want.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	If the EU has no deal with the UK, Switzerland & the UK can make any deal they want.

Well, it will be interesting to see if Priti Patel goes for FMOP with the Swiss after she has today so vehemently kicked it into touch with the whole of the EU.

I'm sure it'll all be fine...

[Clocker]

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	Well, it will be interesting to see if Priti Patel goes for FMOP with the Swiss after she has today so vehemently kicked it into touch with the whole of the EU. I'm sure it'll all be fine.

It could well be all fine. The Swiss are hardly queuing up to get into the UK to live and work, nor is CH the preferred destination for UK citizens. A minor issue, - though of course here on the forum seen as a major one as people want to know where they stand.

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	Are you sure we haven't met before?

Avoiding the question Clocker? We're all waiting for an answer, tick tock.

[Clocker]

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	Avoiding the question Clocker? We're all waiting for an answer, tick tock.

Wrong! You are waiting for an answer. And you can continue to wait as I have no idea what you're on about.
You claim that you are 'all' waiting for an answer. How is it that you personally speak for the 30'000+ members of the forum all of a sudden?! I very much doubt that all 30'000 want an answer. Of course you can wait until all 30'000 post to prove me wrong. Keep waiting...
But in the meantime please stop this nonsense and the attempt to derail.

You lost the referendum, get over it.

	Quote:	Clocker
	Wrong! You are waiting for an answer. And you can continue to wait as I have no idea what you're on about. You claim that you are 'all' waiting for an answer. How is it that you personally speak for the 30'000+ members of the forum all of a sudden?! I very much doubt that all 30'000 want an answer. Of course you can wait until all 30'000 post to prove me wrong. Keep waiting... But in the meantime please stop this nonsense and the attempt to derail. You lost the referendum, get over it.

#triggered

[k_and_e]

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	Well, it will be interesting to see if Priti Patel goes for FMOP with the Swiss after she has today so vehemently kicked it into touch with the whole of the EU. I'm sure it'll all be fine...

To make the next years on this forum more fun, the new agreement between UK and CH should have a mandatory language test for all.

	Quote:	k_and_e
	To make the next years on this forum more fun, the new agreement between UK and CH should have a mandatory language test for all.

I think a good number of the forum would struggle with an English language test, never mind a forrin one.

[Dinivan]

If CH and the UK reach an agreement to facilitate migration between both countries, I see Geneva and Zurich becoming an even larger magnet for corporations, as CH could become the only place with easy access for Britons to the Schengen area. That is, if CH does not f* up before in its own dealings with the EU.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Dinivan
	That is, if CH does not f* up before in its own dealings with the EU.

It is not that simple, the UK will be a third country just like the USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, so if we give the UK better work permit terms then you can expect the others will be pressuring for the same and US companies play a significant part in the local economy.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Clocker
	I arrived before freedom of movement even started so it has no bearing. Many here will be in a similar situation. We didn't all arrive with the last shower.

I can say the same thing and am still not that mad at people who benefited from these agreements. I am glad for the young ones who can study and work pretty much everywhere in Europe, without the long processes I had to go through. (I am from a EU member country who joined later and got the worst deals with pretty much everyone)


I am here because back home, for the moment things are not going into the right direction. As soon as things will be good in my country, we will be back, no doubts. Unlike some people here who only wish the furiners out but would never leave CH, I do like my country and the people, with all our imperfections. But I think that emigration (I call it exile deep down) made me a better person, my view on certain things have changed a lot during the past years.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	It is not that simple, the UK will be a third country just like the USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, so if we give the UK better work permit terms then you can expect the others will be pressuring for the same and US companies play a significant part in the local economy.

See also this document (in German only, couldn't find the English version): https://www.eda.admin.ch/dam/dea/de/...-Brexit_de.pdf

Seems like there will be a temporary agreement until end of 2020. Main difference is that there will be a quota.

[bowlie]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	See also this document (in German only, couldn't find the English version): https://www.eda.admin.ch/dam/dea/de/...-Brexit_de.pdf Seems like there will be a temporary agreement until end of 2020. Main difference is that there will be a quota.

English is here. https://www.eda.admin.ch/dea/en/home...en/brexit.html

Note footnote 1: Under a no-deal scenario, UK citizens in Switzerland would in prin- ciple be treated on an equal footing with non-EU citizens and the- reby subject to the admission requirements of the Foreign Nationals and Integration Act (FNIA)

[marton]

Boris wrote to the EU stating the "backstop" is not acceptable and another solution should be negotiated.

Of course, he does not have any ideas to offer of what such a solution would look like; what a waste of time!

[bowlie]

Of course there are solutions including;

The two merging to form one EU state;
NI becoming a self governing province of Ireland
Ireland merging with NI to form one non-EU state.
Britain remaining in single market.

If Britain is outside the single market then border controls for goods are necessary.

Just like CH-EU.

	Quote:	marton
	Boris wrote to the EU stating the "backstop" is not acceptable and another solution should be negotiated. Of course, he does not have any ideas to offer of what such a solution would look like; what a waste of time!

Do you think he's preparing the ground to mothball Brexit?

Bit of a wild thought but most days there is a new story, more extreme than the last, hinting at a dystopian future after a no-deal, and now the government itself is coming out with disturbing measures. Wondering if it will culminate in the public's appetite being curbed?

I guess you'll have the die-hard Brexiters squawking until the bitter end that it's all Project Fear and scare-mongering, but it is beginning to sound like bad news from all sides and across all news sources is overtaking the "It's going to be great" chanting.

Whatever happened to JRM, too? He seems to have shut his droning cake-hole in recent weeks.

[marton]

	Quote:	bowlie
	Of course there are solutions including; The two merging to form one EU state; NI becoming a self governing province of Ireland Ireland merging with NI to form one non-EU state. Britain remaining in single market. If Britain is outside the single market then border controls for goods are necessary. Just like CH-EU.

Presumably none of these solutions are acceptable to Boris because he has not offered them for negotiation?
Probably Boris is playing the game that the EU is the first to offer solutions that he can then point to as the "domineering" and unnaceptable EU?

	Quote:	bowlie
	The two merging to form one EU state....

Going to happen in the next 20 years. Catholics are already almost the majority overall (expected by 2021), just not yet in those of voting age. Demographics will mean that switch happens at some point in that time, eventually in sufficient numbers to overcome the small(ish) number of Catholics wanting to stay in the UK.

A no-deal Brexit is very likely to accelerate this process.